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From: lucasea on 16 Oct 2006 00:57 "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:bm26j25fh5648hsctamsahei2vpomb59e5(a)4ax.com... > Nice resume you've got there...I think it does a fine job of > >>establishing your lack of credibility on just about anything. > > As if a twit like you could make a valid assessment about anything > at all. You can't even begin a sentence with a capital letter. If you're going to plagiarize half of my sentence as your own, please do have the courtesty to capitalize the remaining fragment for me. Eric Lucas
From: Jonathan Kirwan on 16 Oct 2006 01:02 On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:42:19 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:00:18 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan ><jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: > >>On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:03:54 +0100, "T Wake" >><usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >>><snip> >>>> Originally, to defend Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan. I think it's time >>>> to pull out of the European bases and let them pay for their own >>>> defense, now that they don't need much of it. >>> >>>I agree. I cant see the US military being too happy at it. Forward staging >>>bases are pretty useful. >> >>Europeans are already beginning to work out the details of a European, >>as opposed to individual country, military with soldiers who swear >>allegiance to the united countries and not the country they come from. >>Yes? >> >>With the US behaving the way it is, I'd wonder if the Europeans would >>bite at the chance to field an independent force sufficiently funded >>to balance US behavior and provide the necessary 'encouragements' so >>the US negotiates no longer as an unopposed bully. > >But if it takes a multi-country concensus to act, they won't be >fielded in time to do much useful. You can't "balance US behavior" if >it takes a year of debating before deployment. I'm mostly just curious. I understand they already have many thousands of highly trained Euro-troups in the form of a rapid deployment force, right now. The figures slip my mind, but "rapid" is part of it. And the allegiance isn't to any country, as I recall. It's a start. I have no idea where it will go. But I suspect that US behavior is going to help break down political barriers in Europe so that it will grow more quickly than otherwise. So I'm curious how some Europeans see this developing. Jon
From: Jonathan Kirwan on 16 Oct 2006 01:06 On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:37:47 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >"JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message >news:rcg5j29bpdd8kg9hf3jb7jdv7r2ivf77u8(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:37:45 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >> >>> >>>And just keep in mind that we've been responsible for the killing of >>>650,000 >>>Iraqis since we afftronted their sovereignty. >> >> Total bullshit. > >Prove it. I find the people who did that study a *damnsight* more credible >than you. The Lancet is arguably the most reputable publication in its field and the article rather fully discloses its methods and weaknesses. If JoeBlow can provide a better researched report using better methodology, we can certainly consider what it says, as well. So? Jon
From: Jonathan Kirwan on 16 Oct 2006 01:13 On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:06:29 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:09:39 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan ><jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:26:55 +0100, Eeyore >><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>JoeBloe wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: >>>> >JoeBloe wrote: >>>> >>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: >>>> >> >>>> >> >More 'Christian' propaganda you willingly lapped up ? >>>> >> >>>> >> You're an idiot. Now that you have been pegged, and proven to be a >>>> >> US hater, you try to switch it to Christian hater. >>>> > >>>> >I respect ppl's right to practice religion. I'm offended by any religion >>>> >that inspires ignorance though lies whether that be Christian, Moslem or >>>> >other. >>>> >>>> All of Islam (read the moslems) believe that all others that are not >>>> moslem are "infidels" and that killing them is not, nor should not be >>>> a crime. >>>> >>>> I have a problem with that. Do you not have a problem with that? >>> >>>If it was true I would have a problem with it. It's simply not true though. >>>Do you really believe that nonsense ? >>> >>>Graham >> >>Sometimes I don't think Europeans understand the religious atmosphere >>here in the US and probably no imagination for the extreme reaches of >>it or how it actually influences politics here. I have a hard time, >>too, so here is a page that paints one of the extreme but important >>influences: >> >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/12/105122/66 >> >>In the latter part of it you will see how "thinking" is blocked and >>dismantled. > >The Daily Kos is hardly a bastion of objective thinking either. The discussion there is an entirely personal story. It's decidedly _not_ objective. >>Imagine living in the middle of this. I do. > >Where do you live? I haven't encountered much religious extremism in >the US, at least nothing threatening. Mormons and Masons and >born-agains tend to be enthusiastic, but so are vegans and baseball >fans. Boring, mostly. I have. But I was directly involved with politics as well as teaching in schools here. So I saw it first hand playing a role. I have seen such people literally hiding in school closets in order to get the goods on the teachers in classes. I've seen principles fired and then new ones selected on boards mostly for their ability to act as go betweens because of their own religious beliefs, but moderated enough to make a workable combination. I also live just a couple of miles from such a similar group and meet such folks, from time to time here. They exist and they _do_ have an impact on politics in the US -- and particularly within the Republican party. If you haven't seen it, you aren't really actively involved in much that's political. Jon
From: Eeyore on 16 Oct 2006 01:40
Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:03:54 +0100, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > > ><snip> > >> Originally, to defend Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan. I think it's time > >> to pull out of the European bases and let them pay for their own > >> defense, now that they don't need much of it. > > > >I agree. I cant see the US military being too happy at it. Forward staging > >bases are pretty useful. > > Europeans are already beginning to work out the details of a European, > as opposed to individual country, military with soldiers who swear > allegiance to the united countries and not the country they come from. > Yes? > > With the US behaving the way it is, I'd wonder if the Europeans would > bite at the chance to field an independent force sufficiently funded > to balance US behavior and provide the necessary 'encouragements' so > the US negotiates no longer as an unopposed bully. It's in 'nascent' form still. The EDF AIUI. Graham |