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From: Gordon on 3 Oct 2006 12:27 On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:30:07 -0500, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:30:55 +0100, Eeyore ><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>Gordon wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:47:08 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >>> >John Fields wrote: >>> >> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:59:42 +0100, "T Wake" wrote: >>> >> >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>> >> >> >>> >> >> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it >>> >> >> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a >>> >> >disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or >>> >> >destroy western society or convert every one or... >>> >> >>> >> --- >>> >> "It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to >>> >> convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by >>> >> Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. >>> >> >>> >> Refusal to convert would result in death. >>> > >>> >Do you often conjure up such idiotic ideas out of thin air ? >>> > >>> >Graham >>> > >>> Graham, what John said is straight out of their Koran. Repeated >>> in many Surah, Ayah passages. For example; >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Surah 47, Ayah 4 When ye encounter the infidels, strike of their >>> heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the >>> rest make fast the fetters. >> >>The Bible says contradictory things too. > >--- >What's contradictory about: "If you don't convert we'll cut off your >infidel head."? > The really puzzling part of the Muslim religion is that in some Koran passages they regard Jesus of Nazareth as an apostle of God, but in other Koran passages they regard Jesus as a liar and a deceiver. Maybe being a liar and a deceiver is a prerequisite to being a Muslim apostle, so they had to work things around to the extent that Jesus was, from their perspective, a liar and a deceiver. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surah 4, Ayah 156 And for their saying, 'Verily we have slain the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, and Apostle of God.' Yet they slew him not, and they crucified him not, but they had only his likeness. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surah 4, Ayah 169 O ye people of the Book! overstep not bounds in your religion: and of God, speak only truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed into Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from himself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lucasea on 3 Oct 2006 12:47 "Lloyd Parker" <lparker(a)emory.edu> wrote in message news:eftpq8$c8p$1(a)leto.cc.emory.edu... > In article <eft9s4$8ss_002(a)s888.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>In article <xA9Ug.7703$GR.5123(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>....and if one chooses to draw parallels between our actions in the >>>Middle >>>East and 1933-1939 Germany, one parallel is the fact that Bush is using >>>similar scare tactics to retain power, >> >>The anti-Bushers keep saying this and it makes absolutely no sense. >>What do you mean "retain power"? He has a term in office which >>will end. He won't retain any powers after the Inaugeration in 2009. > > People probably mean keep Republican control of Congress -- without that > Bush's powers will be quite curtailed. Yes, but it goes further than that. He needs the support of his own party and Congress if he's to get anything done, and the rhetoric of fear was aimed at getting people to hand over their Constitutional rights without a fight. Thankfully, his anti-Constitutional policies are losing him support among his own party, which has long beat its chest as a supporter of the Constitution. >>>take away peoples' rights, and kill a >>>segment of the world population, in much the same propagandistic way that >>>Hitler did. >> >>You've been listening to Democrats without thinking. Everything >>coming out of their mouths is campaign speeches for 2004. This >>is not a typo...I meant four. I could just as easily say that you've been listening to the Republicans without thinking (at least I have evidence--see below). However, name-calling won't get us anywhere. If you disagree, present us with evidence to the contrary (see some of mine below). Tacit insults ("listen without thinking") don't count. I can think for myself, thank you. It *is* telling that even the Republican party is starting to distance themselves from the Administration because of its untenable anti-Constitutional policies.. >>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bush is the next >>>Hitler, just that there *are* parallels between their misanthropic >>>behavior, >>>if hugely different in degree and consequence. >> >>You are excoriating Bush for doing one of his primary jobs which >>is national security. I suppose you long for the days of the >>Clintons where the goal was to breakdown all national security. He could very easily do his job without robbing American citizens of their Constitutional rights and trampling all over international agreements (to which we are party, by the way). A few major examples below: 1) As one example--the whole thing about getting warrants for wiretaps. His rhetoric is that he needs the NSA to act quickly to quell terrorist threats. However, that's hollow fear-mongering strawman rhetoric. The FISA act requires warrants, so that there is some accountability for the program, but it allows for (I think) up to 72 hours _post_facto_ to get the warrant. The can do anything they want, as long as they keep a record of it, and demonstrate to the FISA court at _some_point_ that they had a good reason for thinking that the person they tapped had terrorist ties. As a citizen with rights under the Constitution, I don't insist on warrants *before* wiretapping, but I do insist on getting a warrant *sometime*, so that the NSA is accountable to *somebody* for their actions. Without this accountability, Bush has successfully removed one of the carefully crafted checks-and-balances built into the Constitution, as well as remove people's First Amendment rights. 2) As another example is the Bush administrations approach to protesters and other dissenting opinions. Labelling anybody who dares to disagree with is policies a "traitor" may not be illegal, but it is disingenuous, since the Constitution gives us the responsibility to think critically about everything our government does. Protesters are never allowed anywhere near Bush's speeches, where they might actually be able to be heard. When I lived in Charleston, WV, he has had protesters at one of his speeches rounded up and thrown in jail overnight, and he has also had protesters relocated to "Free Speech Zones" (there's a _1984_ euphemism if I've ever heard one) located in remote, unpopulated, crime-ridden areas in town so that he could maintain the illusion of unblemished support.. "Free speech" isn't free if the governement can make you do it in such a way that it is guaranteed never to be heard. The First Amendment was written precisely so that dissenting opinions could not be prevented from being heard. 3) My final example for now--his treatment of the prisoners of the war and the Geneva Convention. It wasn't written and agreed to (including by us) just to have a rogue nation come along and rewrite it. By writing his own interpretation, he is inviting any other group that comes along to ignore the Convention and rewrite the rules of war any way they want. Holding prisoners, including US citizens, offshore in places not even remotely related to the conflict (Cuba, for example) is just a way of getting around treating prisoners by the rules that we spend a lot of time beating our chests about following. > Yes, that nightmare of peace and prosperity. How glad we are it's over! Better than losing our Constitutional rights. To quote Ben Franklin, "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." Pretty wise man, I'd say. Eric lucas
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 12:49 "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:45217475.3CA18629(a)earthlink.net... >T Wake wrote: >> >> Or "If we give you this money will you promise to use it to buy weapons >> and >> fight [Insert Disliked Government of the Day] and promise never to fight >> us - unless you really have to?" >> >> Can you [or anyone] remind me why the Irish Republican terrorist >> organisations received so much in the way of donations from concerned, >> caring, American private citizens? I've never been all that sure myself. > > > I get of hearing this. I assume the sick was missing. Its a shame this is overused, as it highlights some interesting parallels with today. > They collected money in areas with high Irish > American population, Which is not massively different to the comments in this thread that "Muslims who do not actively disagree with terrorists support them and should be rounded up." Such a policy twenty years ago would have been hard to enforce in the US. > and the average American heard nothing about it, So that makes it OK then? > till the "TV news Expos?". If the average American had know about it > and had agreed with it, there would have been more than enough money > flowing into their coffers for them to have won. Possibly, probably not as despite their claims they had no where near the same level of support back in the UK. Oddly most of the funding from the US found its way to Islamic terrorist organisations (providers of training and explosives). It is good to feel this level of support from our "staunch allies in the war on terrorism." > The ones who did > donate were people who came to the US to get away from the British, and > wanted to help those left behind, right or wrong. Again, if this conversation was adjusted and we talked about the average person from [insert enemy country of choice]. Most do not actively support the actions of Jihadists, yet their country gets invaded and they get shot for failing to obey commands shouted in English. The "average person" may have been ignorant of the collections, and I suspect they were (I have relatives who live in New York and have never been tapped up for money). However, the Governmental structures must have been aware (or should have) and to allow it to happen, implies official consent.
From: Jim Thompson on 3 Oct 2006 12:54 On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:58:51 -0400, Keith <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >In article <18l4i2pda32a9pcks1snm7p1ne0ksphvjd(a)4ax.com>, >joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says... >> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:33:14 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> Gave us: >> >> >> > >> >That's why we should discontinue all aid except to developing nations >> >needing food and health assistance. >> > >> >And burn the UN to the ground. >> > >> >> Have you ever heard that little piece by Robin Williams about us >> simply stopping all we do for others? It is very funny as it were. >> >You mean this one? > >http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp I like this part.... "The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'" ? Robin Williams. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Jim Thompson on 3 Oct 2006 12:56
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:58:52 -0400, Keith <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >In article <45213544.1C686151(a)hotmail.com>, >rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... >> >> >> Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:57:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> > >On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:09:14 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> > >>> Jim Thompson wrote: >> > >>> > >> > >>> > That's where we pretend we like the French ;-) >> > >>> >> > >>> Sorry, Jim, but I'm not THAT good at playing pretend. >> > >> >> > >>Don't worry. The French don't much like your kind of Americans either. >> > >> >> > >>Graham >> > > >> > >Heck, you can hardly get into a roadside rest area bathroom for the >> > >crowds from the French tour busses. On our way back from Monterey, my >> > >wife had to sit shivering at the Junipera Serra rest stop for that >> > >very reason, waiting out a bus full of female French tourists. If you >> > >go to the top of Twin Peaks in San Francisco, the language you're most >> > >likely to overhear is German. >> > > >> > >Stay home! The lines at Peet's Coffee and Joseph Schmidt Chocolate are >> > >long enough already. >> > > >> > >John >> > >> > I've seen very few French tourists here in AZ... probably because >> > they'd be shunned ;-) >> >> What is there for them to see ? >> >Just a few little things like the Grand Canyon, Walnut Creek >Canyon, the Painted Desert, the Pertified Forrest, Sunset Crater... >Nah, nothing there. And more golf courses and resorts than you can count. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |