Microwave brain scrambler?
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From: Winston on 12 Mar 2010 15:21 On 3/12/2010 10:46 AM, AZ Nomad wrote: (...) > As long as the workers doesn't mind the effects on themselves. > Such toys invariable nail the owner more than any would be thief. How could that be? Who is the 'nailer'? > After you discover that the robber is actually a friend of the cashier > and joking around and you lay him on the ground, make plans to sell > off the business to pay legal costs and to spend a nice amount of time > in jail. Are you seriously suggesting that a lawyer or judge would voluntarily snuff out their career by prosecuting a case against their owners? Nonsense. > Put a revolver under the register if you have such a problem with > robbery. But this is *so* much more elegant! Not only can the manager disable robbers, he can use the system on honest employees and customers as well. The entertainment is endless because it is completely undetectable. The old guy on table #4. Just as he lifts his coffee cup, zap him and he pours hot coffee all over his shirt! He gets up, and attempts to get to the bathroom, zap him again so he hits his head on the counter and soils himself at the same time. I don't think you grasp the hilarious possibilities here. There isn't any evidence it was ever used, other than the recollection of the victim. Who is going to believe him (or her for that matter)? I don't understand your 'anti-business' position at all. Thanks, AZ --Winston
From: AZ Nomad on 12 Mar 2010 15:40 On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:21:34 -0800, Winston <Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: >On 3/12/2010 10:46 AM, AZ Nomad wrote: >(...) >> As long as the workers doesn't mind the effects on themselves. >> Such toys invariable nail the owner more than any would be thief. >How could that be? Who is the 'nailer'? Doesn't matter. Invariably it is the owner or employees injured for the simple matter that most of the time there isn't a burgler in presence of the infernal machine. Rat chews through a control line and sets the thing off. Drunk employee goes into the manager's office and plays around. Owner mistakes friend of cashier. It doesn't matter. If you put a shotgun in the ceiling on remote control, you're playing a very dangerous game.
From: Winston on 12 Mar 2010 16:11 On 3/12/2010 12:40 PM, AZ Nomad wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:21:34 -0800, Winston<Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: >> On 3/12/2010 10:46 AM, AZ Nomad wrote: > >> (...) > >>> As long as the workers doesn't mind the effects on themselves. >>> Such toys invariable nail the owner more than any would be thief. > >> How could that be? Who is the 'nailer'? > Doesn't matter. Invariably it is the owner or employees injured for the > simple matter that most of the time there isn't a burgler in presence > of the infernal machine. Only the owner and installer are aware the transmitter exists at all. They aren't about to zap themselves with it. > Rat chews through a control line and sets > the thing off. Drunk employee goes into the manager's office and > plays around. So, who cares? In either case, there is no evidence, no foul no crime. > Owner mistakes friend of cashier. There would be no crime because no judge would ever prosecute. He places judgment against say, "Allied Domestic Sandwich", he knows it's all over for him. Finito. No more robes. Venality is not stupidity. > It doesn't matter. If you put a shotgun in the ceiling on remote > control, you're playing a very dangerous game. Be serious. This machine is completely undetectable. Anyone who knows of it's existence will remain piously quiet about it. That is what they are paid to do. This country was built by people who believed in the sanctity and grace of big business. Let's not backslide here. Thanks, AZ --Winston
From: AZ Nomad on 12 Mar 2010 16:27 On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:11:45 -0800, Winston <Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: >On 3/12/2010 12:40 PM, AZ Nomad wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:21:34 -0800, Winston<Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: >>> On 3/12/2010 10:46 AM, AZ Nomad wrote: >> >>> (...) >> >>>> As long as the workers doesn't mind the effects on themselves. >>>> Such toys invariable nail the owner more than any would be thief. >> >>> How could that be? Who is the 'nailer'? >> Doesn't matter. Invariably it is the owner or employees injured for the >> simple matter that most of the time there isn't a burgler in presence >> of the infernal machine. >Only the owner and installer are aware the transmitter exists at all. >They aren't about to zap themselves with it. >> Rat chews through a control line and sets >> the thing off. Drunk employee goes into the manager's office and >> plays around. >So, who cares? In either case, there is no evidence, no foul >no crime. >> Owner mistakes friend of cashier. >There would be no crime because no judge would ever prosecute. You're insane.
From: Winston on 12 Mar 2010 17:40
On 3/12/2010 11:23 AM, Dave Platt wrote: (...) > Yup. The OP ought to dig back through the archives, and read up on > some of the cases where property owners have created dangerous or > lethal "man-traps" to deter burglary or vandalism. 1) The transmitter is not immediately deadly. Eventually, perhaps. By then, there's even less evidence that it was ever used. 2) I was not talking about individuals or small business owners for whom the law applies and is generally enforced. I was talking about a completely different business scale, for whom the law does not apply and is not enforced. Two completely different situations. > Sometimes these end up killing innocent people... and the property > owners face manslaughter charges and massive civil lawsuits for > wrongful death from the families of those killed. See section #2 above. The transmitter wouldn't be used by people who are subject to law. Only subsidiaries of Big Business for whom there is no risk of prosecution attached. > Sometimes these end up killing or injuring burglars and vandals... and > the property owners go to prison for manslaughter, and also end up > being sued by the burglars or their families. No evidence, no crime perpetrated by an un-prosecutable. That is a bad corner to be playing in. "Sorry, thanks for the info but you are deluded to think we would ever do such a thing." > In most jurisdications, it is *not* legally permissible to use deadly > or potentially-deadly force merely to protect property. Attempted murder is permissible and a valid management technique, if you are a large enough corporation. It just does not get investigated. It is not considered to be as serious as your parking ticket. >> After you discover that the robber is actually a friend of the cashier >> and joking around and you lay him on the ground, make plans to sell >> off the business to pay legal costs and to spend a nice amount of time >> in jail. > > Equivalently-bad scenario: there *is* an armed robber, the manager > zaps him with hidden the "microwave convulsion beam", the robber > collapses... No, the robber would only 'collapse' if he was off - balance when zapped. He would remain standing otherwise. Blind and deaf, with a vacant expression on his face, but still standing. > and the beam also hits a diner or two at the next table, > and *they* collapse or go blind or go into convulsions. No collapses. Just frozen with temporary blindness and deafness. See, we are overwhelming a very complicated system with a bunch of 'nonsense data'. It is a 'Denial Of Service' attack, with the brain as a target instead of a computer. > Having two or more people (one robber plus N innocents) affected > in the same way, at the same time, is going to clue *somebody* off > to the fact that something weird is going on! Yes but a powerless 'somebody'. Who cares? The cops? The courts? Seriously. No authority is going to give a flying guacamole even if a witness were brave enough to risk being called 'delusional'. (I do admit that it's a matter of time before a technically hip LEO gets zapped by one of these transmitters. Then we will see some very nuanced criticism, which will also not be detected, prosecuted or reported.) > The OP seems to be taking the position that "This isn't a crime, > because it won't be detected and the person the zapping can't be > accused." In application, yes. The crime didn't occur unless a judge said it did, yes? Hey, 'suspect' all you want because the judge will say *anything* the corporation wants him to say. I do admit that this gives the courts pretty good leverage. The bad news is that such leverage will result in more generous contributions, but not an improvement in behavior on the part of the corporation. > A parabolic or wave-guide microwave antenna of sufficiently > narrow beam-width to do this is *not* small or all that easily > concealed, especially if it's on some sort of pivot-able mounting and > is located somewhere which gives adequate coverage of a room. Of course it would be small and easy to hide. Pick a frequency that beams well using a <12" diameter parabola yet still easily penetrates through a couple inches of cranium to deposit 1 mW/ cm^2 in the brain over a distance of say 20 feet. Pretty cheap and easy with suspended ceilings being as ubiquitous as they are. > When the police tape off the whole area as a crime scene, they'll almost > certainly find it... Back up here, please. Your scenario posits three individuals who wake up from an artificially - induced frozen, unconscious state. They are dazed and confused but regain full use of their senses and muscles within a couple minutes. One of them is on the ground being cuffed by security; #2 is dabbing at some coffee he spilled on his shirt. #3 is wondering if it was apparent that she fell asleep during #2's monologue. No evidence that anything out of the ordinary happened. No 'Crime Scene' tape. No nothing. > ...at which point, the manager will be in Very Deep > Trouble. With whom? Not the courts, not the cops. Just who is the source of this Trouble? > Assault and battery, attempted murder, The manager is an employee of a Large Corporation. He cannot be touched, even if the cops were inclined to arrest. They won't be because there is no evidence any crime occurred and no budget and even less motivation to develop the expertise to detect this kind of thing. > and illegal use of an unlicensed transmitting device. The FCC does not care. Who is going to enforce that law? >> Put a revolver under the register if you have such a problem with >> robbery. > > Or a Taser, or pepper spray. > > In all of these cases, though, the chances of somebody ending up dead > are probably quite a bit less if nobody tries to play cowboy. As long as the target is customer, a waitress or a bad guy, who cares? There's no evidence. No crime to investigate. Here is a real opportunity for some enterprising company to make several tons of money. Not a competitor in sight and plenty of powerful, very well financed companies with which to become Very Friendly. Cha-Ching! --Winston |