From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 13/03/2010 05:39, Winston wrote:
> On 3/12/2010 7:27 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> On 12/03/2010 22:40, Winston wrote:
>>
>>> See section #2 above. The transmitter wouldn't be used by people
>>> who are subject to law. Only subsidiaries of Big Business for
>>> whom there is no risk of prosecution attached.
>>
>> And this is in the same world where McDonalds gets sued by a customer
>> who spills hot coffee on herself?
>
> Other patrons had complained of the 'overheated' coffee in the past.
> One assumes that there were photographs of burned skin.
> Depositions were taken.
> These are evidence that support the theory that someone was harmed.
>
> The transmitter is the ultimate in plausible deniabilty.
> Any complainant is bound to be labeled a kook, because people will
> be unaware that the transmitter is being used on them.
>
> No evidence of crime means no crime could have been committed.

Except the occasional disgruntled manager who teams up with an epileptic
and lawyer. How much money would you accept to "end your McCareer"?

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
From: Winston on
On 3/12/2010 10:37 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
(...)

> No corporation would come within a mile of it.

Why not?
It'll prevent armed robbery in the store.
It'll provide welcome entertainment for managers
It'll punish recalcitrant employees
It'll injure skimpy tippers, customers of the
wrong skin color and anyone who 'needed zapping'

> Even speculative law suits would bankrupt the company.

No evidence = no lawsuits.

> And *thousands* of people would know about the device.

So what? They aren't going to talk, largely
because no one would believe them anyway.

> Even the design of the A-bomb could not be kept secret.

By the time the existence of the transmitters becomes
public knowledge, they will be accepted as a necessary
evil. Pay toilets, toll bridges, dealer service for
recall repairs, 130% interest charges on payday loans,
"Grace Period" trimming and 'delayed credit for payment'
by CC companies etc.

Thanks for your observations, Dirk.

--Winston
From: Bill Sloman on
On Mar 12, 11:57 pm, Winston <Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
> On 3/12/2010 10:29 AM, o...(a)uakron.edu wrote:
>
> > You dont get it!  1 mW/Cm^2 does NOT penetrate the skull with enough
> > power to do biological anything. Period, DENADA!
>
> That is 1 mW/cm^2 within the brain.
> Obviously there are efficiency losses on the way from MOPA
> to the target, but yes, there is a reproducible physiological effect.
>
> > You must be the new green Xenon/Radium etc
>
> Nope.
>
> > Go away troll, you have NO clue about RF physics.
>
> The reason I asked was to get new knowledge, for which I am grateful.
>
> > The effect of which you speak does not exist,
>
> The effect exists.

Not in the form that you want. Trans-cranial magnetic stimulation
works, but not at frequencies that can be focussed by an ntenna of any
practicable size.

You are extrapolating from some particularly ill-designed and
unconvincing research done in the 1970's to imagine an anti-personnel
weapon that can't - in practice - do what you would like to think it
could.

> > or nobody would be
> > painting AM or FM transmitter towers with the power on... Which is
> > done all the time..
>
> The minimum frequency for which the effect is seen was at 147 MHz,
> amplitude modulated at a continuous 16 Hz, not frequency modulated
> at 20Hz - 20 KHz or amplitude modulated at 50Hz ~12KHz.

If there was any non-thermal effect at 147MHz - which, granting the
subsequent publication history (or lack of it), seems bery unlikely.

I think you have been letting your imagination run away with you.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Bill Sloman on
On Mar 12, 9:21 pm, Winston <Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
> On 3/12/2010 10:46 AM, AZ Nomad wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> > As long as the workers doesn't mind the effects on themselves.
> > Such toys invariable nail the owner more than any would be thief.
>
> How could that be?  Who is the 'nailer'?

Disgrantled employee - not every manager has an attractive and
sympathetic personality.

> > After you discover that the robber is actually a friend of the cashier
> > and joking around and you lay him on the ground, make plans to sell
> > off the business to pay legal costs and to spend a nice amount of time
> > in jail.
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that a lawyer or judge would voluntarily
> snuff out their career by prosecuting a case against their owners?

Prosecutors just love high profile cases.

> > Put a revolver under the register if you have such a problem with
> > robbery.
>
> But this is *so* much more elegant!

Or would be, if it could work.

> Not only can the manager disable robbers, he can
> use the system on honest employees and customers as well.

Or could, if it could work.

> The entertainment is endless because it is completely
> undetectable.

A big dish antenna aobe a false ceiling, and the RF transmitter to
drive it? A bit harder to hide that a hand-gun, and ripping it out and
dumping it off the bridge would be a little more obvious, and leave
more obvious traces, clown.

> The old guy on table #4.  Just as he lifts his coffee cup, zap
> him and he pours hot coffee all over his shirt!  He gets up,
> and attempts to get to the bathroom, zap him again so he hits
> his head on the counter and soils himself at the same time.
>
> I don't think you grasp the hilarious possibilities here.
>
> There isn't any evidence it was ever used, other than the recollection
> of the victim. Who is going to believe him (or her for that matter)?

Except the paper trail covers the papyments for the expensive
installation, and the memories and records of the sub-contracots who
did the work.

> I don't understand your 'anti-business' position at all.

You don't understand much.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Richard Henry on
On Mar 11, 8:10 am, Winston <Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
> On 3/11/2010 7:42 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> >     Or just drop a bowling ball on his head. ;-)
>
> This is subtle and deniable.  Bowling balls, not so much.
>
> --Winston

To prevent crimes of this nature, you don't want to be subtle. An
"Armed Guard on Duty" sign would be more effective.