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From: John Navas on 8 Aug 2010 10:37 On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:41:59 -0700, in <0fir569ng2c2k6seobom2mnubitl9jok38(a)4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: >On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:02:13 -0400, ZnU <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >>I suspect many >>are just buying Android phones as more capable 'feature' phones. > >Maybe. I suggest you consider brand loyalty. I don't mean Apple iOS >versus Android brand loyalty. I mean AT&T versus Verizon. It's been >demonstrated that there's little loyalty to AT&T and that a large >chunk of iPhone users would move to Verizon if they offered an Verizon >iPhone. ... Just as a large chunk of Verizon users have apparently moved to AT&T to become iPhone users. The net would be anyone's guess. -- John "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups." [Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: John Navas on 8 Aug 2010 10:44 On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:17:49 -0400, in <znu-EC978A.18174907082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >In article <0fir569ng2c2k6seobom2mnubitl9jok38(a)4ax.com>, > Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:02:13 -0400, ZnU <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > >[snip] > >> >If you look at the application sales estimates, it's not >> >clear that users even understand Android as a platform; >> >> I don't see the connection. If app sales were higher, it would not >> necessarily create a better understanding of the OS by the users. > >I'm speculating that the cause/effect relationship runs in the _other_ >direction. That users aren't buying Android apps in large numbers >because many don't understand that a) their phones can actually run apps >and this is useful and that b) they'll be able to take their apps with >them to other Android phones in the future. That wouldn't seem likely, what with: (a) heavy promotion of Android apps (e.g., Verizon ads) (b) similar app experience between Android and iPhone, (c) multitasking in all Androids, and (d) heavier data consumption by Android than by iPhone <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38456202/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/>. -- John If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive, then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?
From: John Navas on 8 Aug 2010 10:49 On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:16:55 -0400, in <znu-7283CB.14165507082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >In article <08sq56l9gi1u4hsrbecr24kadau1n7ph0i(a)4ax.com>, > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 05:51:44 -0400, in >> <znu-1D9F45.05514407082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU >> <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >> >> >In article <050820101301232886%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, >> > nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> In article <lloydparsons-2C9285.10404005082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd >> >> Parsons <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > And for all the complaints about how good/bad AT&T is, >> >> > there has been much conjecture that if any other provider had been given >> >> > the iPhone exclusive, they would have had the same problems that AT&T >> >> > has had with the useage patterns. >> >> >> >> except that with the explosion of android phones, you don't see very >> >> many complaints about verizon, yet you still see complaints about at&t. >> > >> >This is not especially meaningful. The iPhone has faced _far_ more >> >scrutiny than the confused mess of Android phones various carriers are >> >now selling. >> >> I respectfully disagree -- Android has received enormous scrutiny. > >Antennagate demonstrates _very_ clearly that Apple is not remotely held >to the same standard as other industry participants. I respectfully disagree. Antennagate just demonstrates that Apple got caught with a poor design that affects the entire population of the latest phone. >It is simply >unimaginable that any such controversy could have arisen with respect to >any other specific handset model. It's "unimaginable" because there are so many different makes and models, where any given model defect is confined to a small minority of Android devices (one of the advantages of the open Android model). Google's own Nexus One received comparable criticism to iPhone 4 even though its problems were less severe. -- John If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive, then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?
From: John Navas on 8 Aug 2010 10:51 On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:11:05 -0400, in <znu-DD830A.18110507082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >In article <H2k7o.3910$EF1.1599(a)newsfe14.iad>, > "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > >> "ZnU" <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote in message >> news:znu-7283CB.14165507082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET... >> > Antennagate demonstrates _very_ clearly that Apple is not remotely held >> > to the same standard as other industry participants. It is simply >> > unimaginable that any such controversy could have arisen with respect to >> > any other specific handset model. >> >> Perhaps, but I see it as a popularity issue, coupled with the dearth of >> models. If Nokia or Motorola had a "radical new" antenna design on one of >> their phones with a similar problem, it'd be one model of dozens. Other >> than Apple continuing to sell "last year's model" along with the iPhone du >> jour, the iPhone 4 is THE Apple phone, meaning if the device has an alleged >> problem, the "entire line" has an alleged problem. If there was an iPhone >> Classic, iPhone Nano, iPhone Shuffle, etc., I think this would be less of a >> big deal. > >Yes, this is absolutely part of why individual Apple devices get more >scrutiny. But they _do_ get more scrutiny. So you can't just say that >since people make a big deal out of these things with Apple devices, but >not with other devices, other devices must not ever have any issues. Google's own Nexus One received comparable criticism to iPhone 4 even though its problems were less severe. -- John If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive, then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?
From: John Navas on 8 Aug 2010 10:55
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:49:07 -0700, in <0tgr5616hst8am2mt9co6ei3g87os9rvml(a)4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: >On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:00:45 -0700, John Navas ><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >>>If you look at the independent testing regarding dropped calls, it does >>>show a far greater dropped call rate for AT&T, which jives with the >>>results of all the independent consumer surveys on dropped calls. >>> >>>"http://www.9to5mac.com/changewave-AT-T" >> >>What these surveys actually show is that the percentage of dropped calls >>on all carriers is quite small, probably on the order of the sampling >>error (which isn't disclosed, and could even be higher than the reported >>numbers). The presumption that this data is accurate to a tenth of a >>percent is statistical nonsense. > >I've been trying to figure out where ChangeWave is getting their >numbers. On the above web page, it's claimed that "Over 4,000 >smartphone users were polled in the survey". Ok, that's a fairly good >sample. However, digging through their web pile, I find: ><http://www.changewaveresearch.com/about-us/how-we-do-it.html> > The ChangeWave Research Network is a group of 25,000 highly > qualified business, technology and medical professionals > - as well as early adopter consumers - who over the past > 9 years have joined to form one of the most unique business > intelligence gathering networks in the world. >Ummm.... ok. So did they cherry pick 4000 smartphone owners from >among their 25,000 business users, did they borrow the numbers from >some other survey group, or what? If from their business users, it's >a rather odd survey criteria for a consumer product. Without raw >data, the conclusions are rather suspect. I don't see any basis for impugning the survey with "cherry pick". All surveys should be taken with a grain of salt. This one is actually better than many (most?) in that there is some disclosure of methodology, and I think it's a fair presumption that the 4,000 are simply those (a) with smartphones that (b) chose to participate. -- John "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups." [Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement] |