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From: Jeff Liebermann on 7 Aug 2010 16:49 On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:00:45 -0700, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >>If you look at the independent testing regarding dropped calls, it does >>show a far greater dropped call rate for AT&T, which jives with the >>results of all the independent consumer surveys on dropped calls. >> >>"http://www.9to5mac.com/changewave-AT-T" > >What these surveys actually show is that the percentage of dropped calls >on all carriers is quite small, probably on the order of the sampling >error (which isn't disclosed, and could even be higher than the reported >numbers). The presumption that this data is accurate to a tenth of a >percent is statistical nonsense. I've been trying to figure out where ChangeWave is getting their numbers. On the above web page, it's claimed that "Over 4,000 smartphone users were polled in the survey". Ok, that's a fairly good sample. However, digging through their web pile, I find: <http://www.changewaveresearch.com/about-us/how-we-do-it.html> The ChangeWave Research Network is a group of 25,000 highly qualified business, technology and medical professionals - as well as early adopter consumers - who over the past 9 years have joined to form one of the most unique business intelligence gathering networks in the world. Ummm.... ok. So did they cherry pick 4000 smartphone owners from among their 25,000 business users, did they borrow the numbers from some other survey group, or what? If from their business users, it's a rather odd survey criteria for a consumer product. Without raw data, the conclusions are rather suspect. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
From: Jeff Liebermann on 7 Aug 2010 17:01 On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:36:57 -0500, Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: >Jeff, you misread John. His implication was that Android is bigger in >use than iPhone. But it is easy to misread what John means or implies >as he has no grasp on business concepts at all. Methinks he's correct any way you read it (market share, growth, sales, users, etc). Going to the source: <http://www.isuppli.com/Mobile-and-Wireless-Communications/News/Pages/Googles-Android-to-Outstrip-Apples-iOS-by-2012-iSuppli-Forecasts.aspx> Note the graph which forcasts more Android users than iOS users after 2012. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
From: Steven Fisher on 7 Aug 2010 17:07 In article <kohr56d9abi68sbqgv1d0rrdugfol94lgi(a)4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > Methinks he's correct any way you read it (market share, growth, > sales, users, etc). Going to the source: > <http://www.isuppli.com/Mobile-and-Wireless-Communications/News/Pages/Googles- > Android-to-Outstrip-Apples-iOS-by-2012-iSuppli-Forecasts.aspx> > Note the graph which forcasts more Android users than iOS users after > 2012. Given that this is 2010, perhaps you see the problem. Steve
From: Lloyd Parsons on 7 Aug 2010 17:14 In article <kohr56d9abi68sbqgv1d0rrdugfol94lgi(a)4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:36:57 -0500, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >Jeff, you misread John. His implication was that Android is bigger in > >use than iPhone. But it is easy to misread what John means or implies > >as he has no grasp on business concepts at all. > > Methinks he's correct any way you read it (market share, growth, > sales, users, etc). Going to the source: > <http://www.isuppli.com/Mobile-and-Wireless-Communications/News/Pages/Googles- > Android-to-Outstrip-Apples-iOS-by-2012-iSuppli-Forecasts.aspx> > Note the graph which forcasts more Android users than iOS users after > 2012. The graph doesn't apply. It is in use now that is what is under discussion. Sales trends, growth, etc will come into play over time. Frankly I suspect that a slew of Android based smartphones in total may end up being more than the total of iPhones in use in the future, but there will be no single version that will even get very close. And with Android, that is a distinct difference. Each phone has whatever the carrier/producer puts on it. And unless something changes, adding additional apps will remain sluggish on Android for developers. -- Lloyd
From: Todd Allcock on 7 Aug 2010 17:16
"ZnU" <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote in message news:znu-7283CB.14165507082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET... > In article <08sq56l9gi1u4hsrbecr24kadau1n7ph0i(a)4ax.com>, > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 05:51:44 -0400, in >> <znu-1D9F45.05514407082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU >> <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >> >> >In article <050820101301232886%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, >> > nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> In article <lloydparsons-2C9285.10404005082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd >> >> Parsons <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > And for all the complaints about how good/bad AT&T is, >> >> > there has been much conjecture that if any other provider had been >> >> > given >> >> > the iPhone exclusive, they would have had the same problems that >> >> > AT&T >> >> > has had with the useage patterns. >> >> >> >> except that with the explosion of android phones, you don't see very >> >> many complaints about verizon, yet you still see complaints about >> >> at&t. >> > >> >This is not especially meaningful. The iPhone has faced _far_ more >> >scrutiny than the confused mess of Android phones various carriers are >> >now selling. >> >> I respectfully disagree -- Android has received enormous scrutiny. > > Antennagate demonstrates _very_ clearly that Apple is not remotely held > to the same standard as other industry participants. It is simply > unimaginable that any such controversy could have arisen with respect to > any other specific handset model. Perhaps, but I see it as a popularity issue, coupled with the dearth of models. If Nokia or Motorola had a "radical new" antenna design on one of their phones with a similar problem, it'd be one model of dozens. Other than Apple continuing to sell "last year's model" along with the iPhone du jour, the iPhone 4 is THE Apple phone, meaning if the device has an alleged problem, the "entire line" has an alleged problem. If there was an iPhone Classic, iPhone Nano, iPhone Shuffle, etc., I think this would be less of a big deal. |