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From: Lloyd Parsons on 6 Aug 2010 14:15 In article <unjo56hf0djaknmg0j132vl8fb2q6t4okq(a)4ax.com>, Christopher A. Lee <calee(a)optonline.net> wrote: > On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:05:23 -0500, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >In article <pdio56tbnk81e6td4mgehn0b3dh98av1tg(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:12:44 -0500, in > >> <lloydparsons-8014E7.12124406082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd Parsons > >> <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <enao561t0lu8384i7ckhguul08bvt077j5(a)4ax.com>, > >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> I implied nothing -- my post speaks for itself, and was correct. > >> >> > >> >Your post was intended to give the impression that there are more > >> >Android phones out there than iPhones, which is not the case at all. > >> > >> Nope. Read more carefully. > >> > >> >> >Go back a read a few of his posts concerning market share, revenue vs > >> >> >profit and others for examples of his lack of basic business concepts. > >> >> > >> >> Which of those basic concepts do you not understand? > >> > > >> >I understand all of them, you OTOH, have shown a complete lack of > >> >understanding. That's a shame as I'm retired while you are still trying > >> >to run a business. > >> > >> Old saying in litigation: > >> When you have the facts on your side, pound on the facts. > >> When the law is on your side, pound on the law. > >> When neither the law nor the facts are on your side, > >> pound on the table (and your opponent). > > > >You are either new here and haven't read Slade's previous postings, or > >incredibly naive in what you are willing to credit him with. > > Or a troll. I hadn't actually considered him a troll, still don't. I think he makes some valid points, I just don't always agree with him. -- Lloyd
From: ZnU on 6 Aug 2010 16:59 In article <9ujm56t95g1uj1cg7vvbnhbs4e0qk9clcl(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:35:33 -0600, in > <F1H6o.36539$F%7.30352(a)newsfe10.iad>, Todd Allcock > <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > > >Exactly- so the ~60% of iPhone buyers forced to switch from Verizon, T- > >Mo, or Sprint, breaking up family plans or calling circles, and/or losing > >"free" M2M calls to friends/family still on their former service are > >going to be annoyed, even if AT&T service is perfectly adequate, or even, > >dare I say it, excellent. Given that 60 of iPhone customers switched to > >AT&T for an iPhone, I'd say a 27% "bitching rate" is pretty good. > > I respectfully disagree -- it's quite bad by industry standards, and a > tribute to Apple marketing that it's not turned into a bigger issue. I think one of the issues here is that AT&T service is pretty bad in the New York and SF Bay Area, but pretty good in most of the rest of the country. People professionally covering technology issues are heavily concentrated precisely in New York and the SF Bay Area, so reports of AT&T's network problems are greatly exaggerated by the media. And then there's good old human irrationality. All carriers drop calls. If you've been told your carrier is worse than most, every time a call drops you'll say "Wow, AT&T sucks". If you've been told your carrier is better than most, on the other hand, when a call drops you'll probably just accept it as an inherent limitation of the technology. The catch is that this will hold true regardless of the _actual_ relative performance of the carriers in question. [snip] -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: John Navas on 6 Aug 2010 18:02 On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:59:55 -0400, in <znu-E6464C.16595506082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >I think one of the issues here is that AT&T service is pretty bad in the >New York and SF Bay Area, but pretty good in most of the rest of the >country. It's improved considerably here in the Bay Area over the past year. >People professionally covering technology issues are heavily >concentrated precisely in New York and the SF Bay Area, so reports of >AT&T's network problems are greatly exaggerated by the media. I think it's more a matter of the powerful herd mentality -- relatively few original reports (on any topic) get repeated over and over giving the (false) impression of a larger media consensus, and the herd is slow to change course when differing reports appear. It's much like the game of telephone, and a major reason I try to run stories back to original sources. >And then there's good old human irrationality. All carriers drop calls. >If you've been told your carrier is worse than most, every time a call >drops you'll say "Wow, AT&T sucks". If you've been told your carrier is >better than most, on the other hand, when a call drops you'll probably >just accept it as an inherent limitation of the technology. The catch is >that this will hold true regardless of the _actual_ relative performance >of the carriers in question. Agreed. -- John "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups." [Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: Wes Groleau on 6 Aug 2010 18:09 On 08-06-2010 16:59, ZnU wrote: > I think one of the issues here is that AT&T service is pretty bad in the > New York and SF Bay Area, but pretty good in most of the rest of the > country. Pretty bad in northeast Indiana, northwest Arkansas, and eastern Oklahoma. -- Wes Groleau "Brigham Young agrees to confine himself to one woman, if every member of Congress will do the same." -- Weekly Republican, 1869
From: ZnU on 7 Aug 2010 05:51
In article <050820101301232886%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <lloydparsons-2C9285.10404005082010(a)idisk.mac.com>, Lloyd > Parsons <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > > > And for all the complaints about how good/bad AT&T is, > > there has been much conjecture that if any other provider had been given > > the iPhone exclusive, they would have had the same problems that AT&T > > has had with the useage patterns. > > except that with the explosion of android phones, you don't see very > many complaints about verizon, yet you still see complaints about at&t. This is not especially meaningful. The iPhone has faced _far_ more scrutiny than the confused mess of Android phones various carriers are now selling. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes |