Never realized the Brits had such a terrible secret weapon (Rowland)
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From: Mark Conrad on 15 Jul 2010 08:12 In article <saramerriman-53CA3E.16061614072010(a)news.individual.net>, Sara <saramerriman(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Jim posted: > > I'm speaking as one who know the futility > > of arguing with him. Don't go there, it's > > a complete waste of time. Ignore him. > > Sara seconded Jim's remark: > ...please. Okay, Jim and Sara, I will defer to your experience. However I do not really understand, because for the low cost of an airplane ticket, Rowland could come over here as a tourist, stay a few weeks, and see with his own eyes and hear with his own ears just how wrong he has been about things here in the USA People usually move to the USA for financial reasons, the taxes are low, as are ordinary expenses. A bum here only puts in a begging shift of one hour, which yields enough money for the rest of his day. I watch bum's working conditions very closely, because I plan on becoming one of them when my money runs out, within a year from now. I had a hectic life for 34 years before I retired, no days off, even if I was sick. Worked through all holidays, often worked 3 shifts in a row, 24 hours, dropped with exhaustion to grab some sleep in my car, in the company parking lot of the research dept. where we designed, fabricated, tested, serviced, weapons of mass destruction for the military during the cold-war era - - - so I think I deserve to become a bum in my old age.<g> Some of those weapons were very horrendous, I am glad they were never actually used on people. About Money - ************* Doctors from foreign countries crank down about $300,000 yearly here, then go back to their European countries to retire on the generous welfare system in their home country. I seldom see a "white" doctor when I go to the hospital nowadays, my present gastroenterologist is a very skilled Indian doctor. My cardiologist is a Japanese gentleman. The doctor who is my neurologist is extremly highly trained, to handle problems related to the badly herniated disks of my upper spine, he is considering sending me either to Spain or South Korea for an artificial disc implant, as they have much more experience and successful outcomes of such risky surgery than our home-grown doctors. I forgot to mention that my neurologist commands a $500,000 a year income, and is black as the aces of spades. I specifically requested he accompany me as the neurologist, in the team of surgeons. Gasoline costs right now are going through the roof, the highest cost is in the state of Hawaii, $3.46 today, followed by my state of California, at $3.14 today. Most of that cost is taxes, which are scandalous here lately, now that the Democrats are running things. They are not kidding when they say that a "small business" can really make a fortune in the USA , starting out with very few employees, say 5 for example, because they get to keep most of the money they make. The down side is that such a small business can fail miserably, so here in the USA you have the "opportunity" to become a dismal failure, much more so than in Europe where a bigger "safety net" will catch you if you fail. The result of all that is to segregate Americans into the very rich, and the very poor. (like lazy me) However I _KNOW_ that if I get off my duff and decide to go after money, I will wind up rich, if not on my first try, then on my 2nd, 3rd, or 21st try, assuming no brain damage on my part, of course. This encourages Americans to be very "entrepreneurial" as a group, to overcome obstacles that would discourage less determined people in a "nanny" society that evens out the income of its citizens, whether they are productive or not. Hope that explains the main difference between our systems, neither is "better" than the other, merely "different" to reflect the preferences of the people who live under either system. And I posted all this to show that I did not have to resort to hate mongering, like some here do. Bye Sara and Jim, thanks for your constructive helpful advice. Mark-
From: Woody on 15 Jul 2010 09:03 Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > Okay, Jim and Sara, I will defer to your experience. > > However I do not really understand, because for > the low cost of an airplane ticket, Rowland could > come over here as a tourist, stay a few weeks, and > see with his own eyes and hear with his own ears just > how wrong he has been about things here in the USA He went once, Texas I think. Hated it from the second before he got off the plane. Problem is, it's full of people. That's never going to work! > People usually move to the USA for financial reasons, > the taxes are low, as are ordinary expenses. That was my biggest disappointment, the taxes. They were so much higher than I was expecting. I lived and worked there for a year, and really believed that without health and all that lot, it would be a lot less, but it really wasn't much different. All in all it wasn't much different for me as the company provided medical and dental. The hospitals weren't any better, but the dentists were! Problem is that my wife really didn't like SF, and I am not that keen on living in LA, where she lived for many years. Guess we could have compromised on Fresno! Both of us wouldn't mind living in Vermont though, and enjoyed certain parts of our grand south tour at Christmas, which was a surprise as the mid south states (ie, between and excluding texas and florida, up to tennessee) were a lot more interesting than we thought they would be, and really good to visit (apart from the freezing temperatures!) -- Woody
From: zoara on 15 Jul 2010 12:50 JM <jm(a)dmu.ac.uk> wrote: >> We ... have no creative talent in this country. > > Eh? Just as a heads-up; you're responding to a troll (the one that uses playground-level wordplays on regular posters' names; no doubt my name will be used again soon thanks to me writing this). -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Mark Conrad on 15 Jul 2010 16:23 In article <1783541085300890348.883332usenet-alienrat.co.uk(a)news.individual.net>, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > People usually move to the USA for financial reasons, > > the taxes are low, as are ordinary expenses. > > That was my biggest disappointment, the taxes. They were so much higher > than I was expecting. I lived and worked there for a year, and really > believed that without health and all that lot, it would be a lot less, > but it really wasn't much different. > > All in all it wasn't much different for me as the company provided > medical and dental. The hospitals weren't any better, but the dentists > were! > Problem is that my wife really didn't like SF, and I am not that keen on > living in LA, where she lived for many years. Guess we could have > compromised on Fresno! Not Fresno, I lived there for 3 years trying to start a tomato ranch. Their idea of science was forcing me to hire a "dowser" before they sunk my irrigation well. San Francisco has narrow messed up streets, and dozens of earthquake fault zones criss-cross the city. I wound up retiring in the scenic northern part of California, with its views of nearby snow-clad mountains, lakes, ski-resorts. I scoot across the border to shop in the state of Oregon, because they have no sales tax. Sales tax here is close to 9% , three times what it was when I was a youngster. Every time the democrats get in power, they jack it up higher, driving even more small mom & pop small businesses out of the state. Los angeles is a total mess, if you do not speak Spanish, you will need an interpreter there. President Obama's Latest Greatest Stimulous Plan that he is crowing about gives 150 million dollars to an electric car battery manufacturing company back east, they have 300 employees. If you do the math, that is $500,000 per employee. Great Plan; Obama will bankrupt the USA in jig order. Me, I am learning Mandarin Chinese, so I can welcome in the new owners of America, when they "call in" the loans we foolishly incurred by our governments spendthrift borrowing policies. Mark-
From: mother tarisa on 16 Jul 2010 00:10
Mark Conrad wrote: <snippage> > > Okay, Jim and Sara, I will defer to your experience. > > However I do not really understand, because for > the low cost of an airplane ticket, Rowland could > come over here as a tourist, stay a few weeks, and > see with his own eyes and hear with his own ears just > how wrong he has been about things here in the USA The logistical problem with this is that rolly sponges off of his wife, Becks, so she likely cannot support the entire household AND send rolly traveling to other continents at will... > > People usually move to the USA for financial reasons, > the taxes are low, as are ordinary expenses. > > A bum here only puts in a begging shift of one hour, > which yields enough money for the rest of his day. > > I watch bum's working conditions very closely, > because I plan on becoming one of them when > my money runs out, within a year from now. > > I had a hectic life for 34 years before I retired, > no days off, even if I was sick. Worked through all > holidays, often worked 3 shifts in a row, 24 hours, > dropped with exhaustion to grab some sleep in my > car, in the company parking lot of the research dept. > where we designed, fabricated, tested, serviced, > weapons of mass destruction for the military during > the cold-war era - - - so I think I deserve to become > a bum in my old age.<g> > > Some of those weapons were very horrendous, I am > glad they were never actually used on people. > > > About Money - > ************* > Doctors from foreign countries crank down about > $300,000 yearly here, then go back to their European > countries to retire on the generous welfare system > in their home country. > > I seldom see a "white" doctor when I go to the > hospital nowadays, my present gastroenterologist > is a very skilled Indian doctor. > > My cardiologist is a Japanese gentleman. > > The doctor who is my neurologist is extremly highly > trained, to handle problems related to the badly > herniated disks of my upper spine, he is considering > sending me either to Spain or South Korea for an > artificial disc implant, as they have much more > experience and successful outcomes of such risky > surgery than our home-grown doctors. > > I forgot to mention that my neurologist commands > a $500,000 a year income, and is black as the aces > of spades. I specifically requested he accompany me > as the neurologist, in the team of surgeons. > > Gasoline costs right now are going through the roof, > the highest cost is in the state of Hawaii, $3.46 today, > followed by my state of California, at $3.14 today. > > Most of that cost is taxes, which are scandalous here > lately, now that the Democrats are running things. Normally I am a liberal. However lately we are coming way to close to an orwellian socialist gov't with the current regime! :( > > They are not kidding when they say that a "small business" > can really make a fortune in the USA , starting out with very > few employees, say 5 for example, because they get to > keep most of the money they make. > > The down side is that such a small business can fail > miserably, so here in the USA you have the "opportunity" > to become a dismal failure, much more so than in Europe > where a bigger "safety net" will catch you if you fail. > > The result of all that is to segregate Americans into the > very rich, and the very poor. (like lazy me) > > However I _KNOW_ that if I get off my duff and decide > to go after money, I will wind up rich, if not on my first try, > then on my 2nd, 3rd, or 21st try, assuming no brain > damage on my part, of course. > > This encourages Americans to be very "entrepreneurial" > as a group, to overcome obstacles that would discourage > less determined people in a "nanny" society that evens out > the income of its citizens, whether they are productive or not. > > Hope that explains the main difference between our systems, > neither is "better" than the other, merely "different" to reflect > the preferences of the people who live under either system. > > And I posted all this to show that I did not have to resort to > hate mongering, like some here do. > > Bye Sara and Jim, thanks for your constructive helpful advice. > > Mark- |