Never realized the Brits had such a terrible secret weapon (Rowland)
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From: Rowland McDonnell on 20 Jul 2010 23:59 Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Indeed - the best thing to do with a thread like this is to just keep > > out. > > Yes. <ROFL>! Mr Black. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Mark Conrad on 21 Jul 2010 03:06 In article <1jly6ft.qwmilp1awcuefN%jim(a)magrathea.plus.com>, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Indeed - the best thing to do with a thread like this is to just keep > > out. > > Yes. > > Jim aaah yes, Jim. Now that I have defanged this terrible British secret weapon for you, now I too can retire from this thread. You can thank me later. <aplause> ... <applause> Let this all be a lesson to you. Never tolerate abuse, even from one of your own countrymen. Now that I have put out this fire, I shall retire across the pond. Obama is sending me frantic emails, asking me for advice about how to recoup his popularity among his constituants, because they all seem to be turning against him. Mark-
From: Pd on 21 Jul 2010 07:31 Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > I have real concerns that the USA will cut its own > throat just by sheer waste, we can not afford to > do things like spending 2 trillion a year on health > care for our citizens. Or a hundred billion a year on spooks, most of whom are spying on U.S. citizens. -- Pd
From: Peter Ceresole on 21 Jul 2010 10:27 Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > we can not afford to > do things like spending 2 trillion a year on health > care for our citizens. You do anyway. Just the way you do it creates infinitely more suffering, anxiety and injustice. Quite the worst system in the world. But then as everybody has known for years, the market is quite the worst way to cost health. Because as a result, people die- in great numbers. -- Peter
From: Mark Conrad on 21 Jul 2010 22:59
In article <1jlzk0l.1jwv3yd11m8lpzN%peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk>, Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > we can not afford to > > do things like spending 2 trillion a year on health > > care for our citizens. > > You do anyway. Just the way you do it creates infinitely more suffering, > anxiety and injustice. Quite the worst system in the world. > > But then as everybody has known for years, the market is quite the worst > way to cost health. Because as a result, people die- in great numbers. All probably true. Thing is, whatever changes we make in our present screwed-up system will need to consider the basic nature of our citizens. They will not tolerate changing to an exact model of the UK National Health System (NHS) Presently, USA patients hold the whip hand for their own medical care, so are totally unwilling to turn that over to any group of know-nothing bureaucrats with limited medical training. Bad enough dealing directly with doctors ensnared in old medical technologies, without exacerbating that with another layer of political appointees. A glaring example of waste here in the USA in my case. I bounced into the local medical system, was referred to a gastroenterologist who proceeded to do every expensive medical procedure in the book, over a 5 month period. He knew everything that was NOT causing my symptoms. Sensing my growing dissatisfaction, he handed me off to a different doctor, whose sub-specialty was gastric motility. New doctor could not even see me for 3 months, he was stacked up with patients. Now let's step back and look at this in perspective. An 81 year old guy soaking up medical resources, which might better be used to save younger people, or babies. Yet this same 81 year old guy was shoveling in $60,000 a year of his own taxes over a long period, and had hopes of a quick and accurate diagnosis from the USA health system. Among other things, this savvy old geezer (me) tried to talk his doctor into "rolling his own" gastric motility test with a modern device called a "SuperPill" , which replaces the present invasive test which tracks abnormal gastric motility. Present motility test is dangerous, uses radioactive drugs which are tracked as they move through the digestive tract. New SuperPill is about the size of a large vitamin, is every bit as accurate as the present test, can be done by any competent doctor as a simple outpatient procedure, and no cancer-causing radiation. The pill radios its location as it goes through the digestive track, revealing any abnormal motility rate. My doctor never heard of the thing, showed all sorts of resistance when I tried to get him to contact the medical supply firm that sold it. .... so I wound up firing my doctor. Mark- |