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From: Phil Hobbs on 30 Oct 2009 17:09 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:04:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>> Most use heat pumps year round here. We haven't had the house open >>>>>> more than a few days so far this fall. It was quite warm late this >>>>>> fall and it's been raining since. Last year was beautiful this time >>>>>> of year. This year, not so much. >>>>> >>>>> I've only had one day cool enough to open all the doors and windows >>>>> this fall. >>>> We had a few days this summer warm enough to open the doors and >>>> windows. >>>> >>>> John >>> >>> I'm waiting for winter so I can fix the mess made by the ID10Ts who >>> installed the central air when my dad was staying here. They set the pad >>> on a tree stump that has rotted, so it is leaning about 25 degrees away >> >from the house. It is a package unit, so I have to remove the ductwork, >>> wiring and drain pipe, then move it to the garage. Then I have to set >>> forms and pour about 25, 90 pound bags of Quickcrete. I didn't want the >>> damn thing, but after they cut all the holes in the foundation and >>> floors, I'm stuck with it. I have never used it, in the ten years I've >>> lived here. I just air condition the rooms I'm using, then open the >>> doors to those rooms to cool the rest of the house at night. >> Around here we have a company that can pump concrete under such a >> thing and bring it up to level. Next door neighbor had a driveway >> panel that had settled ~2" along one joint... they pumped it up to >> match the adjacent panel. > > > > I can have the same thing done, if I don't eat for the next six > months. > > Could you jack it up, dig underneath, pour, and then shim? (And then hide what you did with strategically placed bark mulch.) ;) Cheers Phil Hobbs
From: Joerg on 30 Oct 2009 17:19 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:04:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>> Most use heat pumps year round here. We haven't had the house open >>>>>> more than a few days so far this fall. It was quite warm late this >>>>>> fall and it's been raining since. Last year was beautiful this time >>>>>> of year. This year, not so much. >>>>> >>>>> I've only had one day cool enough to open all the doors and windows >>>>> this fall. >>>> We had a few days this summer warm enough to open the doors and >>>> windows. >>>> >>>> John >>> >>> I'm waiting for winter so I can fix the mess made by the ID10Ts who >>> installed the central air when my dad was staying here. They set the pad >>> on a tree stump that has rotted, so it is leaning about 25 degrees away >> >from the house. It is a package unit, so I have to remove the ductwork, >>> wiring and drain pipe, then move it to the garage. Then I have to set >>> forms and pour about 25, 90 pound bags of Quickcrete. I didn't want the >>> damn thing, but after they cut all the holes in the foundation and >>> floors, I'm stuck with it. I have never used it, in the ten years I've >>> lived here. I just air condition the rooms I'm using, then open the >>> doors to those rooms to cool the rest of the house at night. >> Around here we have a company that can pump concrete under such a >> thing and bring it up to level. Next door neighbor had a driveway >> panel that had settled ~2" along one joint... they pumped it up to >> match the adjacent panel. > > > > I can have the same thing done, if I don't eat for the next six > months. > I hadn't thought you were that heavy ... <duck and run> -- SCNR, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 30 Oct 2009 17:38 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> Joerg wrote: > >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>>>> Joerg wrote: > >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: > >>>>>>>> Easy with a mechanical timer if needed. But that's what the CD4060 was > >>>>>>>> invented for. Maybe that's too difficult for a HVAC mfg ... > >>>>>>> Mechanical timers ignore power outages. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> You can make both do either/or. Mech times with li'l tic-toc movement in > >>>>>> there, got one of those here. A CD4060 can be run off a large cap for a > >>>>>> looong time. If designed right, and that's the trick. > >>>>> I prefer the mechanical design, because of the high number of > >>>>> lightning strikes around here. If you want to sign off on a CMOS > >>>>> design, go ahead. Its your reputation, not mine. > >>>>> > >>>> I did a while ago. Most of it is installed in your neck of the woods. > >>>> Works great, it's through two seasons now. One must understand the > >>>> mechanisms, paths, spectra and remedial action when it comes to lightning. > >>> > >>> Tell that to people who lose homes and businesses to lightning. > >>> > >> Because builders and codes in the US fail to provide for proper > >> lightning arresters and we build houses from lumber. > > > > > > So, you've never seen lightning hit a poured concrete building? > > Pieces of it scattered all over the place and exposed, partially > > vaporized rebar. That building did have a wood roof, but the lightning > > struck the walls because of the required rebar and damp concrete. I > > suppose you'll tell me that never happens in Europe, because they are so > > much smarter and that the laws of physics don't apply there? > > They do have smarter regs over there. For example, one house I stayed at > last year had lightning protection all along the gables, the top of the > roof _and_ the wall perimeter. Guess they forgot to install the latter > at your TV station. > > And, why was the concrete damp? That's not supposed to happen as it will > gradually eat away at the rebar, causing structural issues down the road > even if lighnting never hits. Then there's the whole mold issue. I'm begining to see why so much stuff goes PFFFT around you. :( -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
From: Joerg on 30 Oct 2009 17:55 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Easy with a mechanical timer if needed. But that's what the CD4060 was >>>>>>>>>> invented for. Maybe that's too difficult for a HVAC mfg ... >>>>>>>>> Mechanical timers ignore power outages. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can make both do either/or. Mech times with li'l tic-toc movement in >>>>>>>> there, got one of those here. A CD4060 can be run off a large cap for a >>>>>>>> looong time. If designed right, and that's the trick. >>>>>>> I prefer the mechanical design, because of the high number of >>>>>>> lightning strikes around here. If you want to sign off on a CMOS >>>>>>> design, go ahead. Its your reputation, not mine. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I did a while ago. Most of it is installed in your neck of the woods. >>>>>> Works great, it's through two seasons now. One must understand the >>>>>> mechanisms, paths, spectra and remedial action when it comes to lightning. >>>>> Tell that to people who lose homes and businesses to lightning. >>>>> >>>> Because builders and codes in the US fail to provide for proper >>>> lightning arresters and we build houses from lumber. >>> >>> So, you've never seen lightning hit a poured concrete building? >>> Pieces of it scattered all over the place and exposed, partially >>> vaporized rebar. That building did have a wood roof, but the lightning >>> struck the walls because of the required rebar and damp concrete. I >>> suppose you'll tell me that never happens in Europe, because they are so >>> much smarter and that the laws of physics don't apply there? >> They do have smarter regs over there. For example, one house I stayed at >> last year had lightning protection all along the gables, the top of the >> roof _and_ the wall perimeter. Guess they forgot to install the latter >> at your TV station. >> >> And, why was the concrete damp? That's not supposed to happen as it will >> gradually eat away at the rebar, causing structural issues down the road >> even if lighnting never hits. Then there's the whole mold issue. > > > I'm begining to see why so much stuff goes PFFFT around you. :( > Yep, my tests are kind of rigorous. I remember the first time I saw a power supply manufacturer have their comeuppance at TUEV in Cologne. Both submitted units blew up. Not just smoke, but also flames. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 30 Oct 2009 19:06
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:49:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:04:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >John Larkin wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >krw wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Most use heat pumps year round here. We haven't had the house open >> >> >> more than a few days so far this fall. It was quite warm late this >> >> >> fall and it's been raining since. Last year was beautiful this time >> >> >> of year. This year, not so much. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I've only had one day cool enough to open all the doors and windows >> >> >this fall. >> >> >> >> We had a few days this summer warm enough to open the doors and >> >> windows. >> >> >> >> John >> > >> > >> > I'm waiting for winter so I can fix the mess made by the ID10Ts who >> >installed the central air when my dad was staying here. They set the pad >> >on a tree stump that has rotted, so it is leaning about 25 degrees away >> >from the house. It is a package unit, so I have to remove the ductwork, >> >wiring and drain pipe, then move it to the garage. Then I have to set >> >forms and pour about 25, 90 pound bags of Quickcrete. I didn't want the >> >damn thing, but after they cut all the holes in the foundation and >> >floors, I'm stuck with it. I have never used it, in the ten years I've >> >lived here. I just air condition the rooms I'm using, then open the >> >doors to those rooms to cool the rest of the house at night. >> >> Around here we have a company that can pump concrete under such a >> thing and bring it up to level. Next door neighbor had a driveway >> panel that had settled ~2" along one joint... they pumped it up to >> match the adjacent panel. > > > > I can have the same thing done, if I don't eat for the next six >months. Oh, THAT :-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | "Somebody had to build the ceiling... before Michelangelo could go to work." - John Ratzenberger http://analog-innovations.com/SED/Somebody_had_to_build_the_ceiling.pdf |