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From: Joerg on 29 Oct 2009 14:14 Fred Abse wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:56:45 -0700, Joerg wrote: > >> ChrisQ wrote: > > > <snip> > > Can't send a link, but plug >>> the following into google earth: >>> >>> 60.17.49.88 N >>> 01.31.20.52 W >>> >>> For a view of the area. >>> >> It wants some sort of download. Google maps has aerial views of Shetland >> but won't take coordinates. > > Google maps wants decimal degrees, try: > > 60.297, -1.522 > > That gives the vicinity of West Burrafirth, Shetland. > Oh yeah, that is a lonely place out there. Probably Chris' friend doesn't get bothered by door-to-door sales people a lot :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 29 Oct 2009 14:22 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:10:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:16:29 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:00:28 +0000, Martin Brown >>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> ChrisQ wrote: >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>> On the news a few days ago: They had to close the "environmentally >>>>>>>> compliant" new wing of a school because of H1N1. The old (real) >>>>>>>> buildings exhibited little problems because you could open windows, >>>>>>>> "hallways" were outdoors, etc. The newfangled building was >>>>>>>> essentially a giant petri dish and so the kids there got sick. So >>>>>>>> much for progress. >>>>> That is a weakness of a lot of the no external opening windows designs. >>>>> Sick building syndrome as the formaldehyde and other junk from the >>>>> furniture and carpets accumulates in a poorly ventilated space. There is >>>>> no excuse for not having fresh air heated by outgoing stale air though. >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> My home here (three years new) has not only double pane windows, it >>>> also has plastic sealing in all the exterior walls. In a 70 mph wind, >>>> there are only a few places where I can feel a draft - one by a wall >>>> outlet, and the other around my back door. The door flexes enough to >>>> release the weather stripping! >>>> >>>> But, my HVAC system also has a timer that causes it to go on with the >>>> fan only at least every so often, and the system has an intake to the >>>> outside for fresh air. ... >>> >>> I've always wondered where to get those. It would need to be before the >>> filter or have its own filter. This whole concept of whole house fans is >>> so strange, they rely on venting out instead of in so all the dust and >>> pollen is sucked into the house. In Australia there are (IIRC) systems >>> that blow in instead, makes a lot more sense. Never seen that in the US. >> >> I put one in my NY house. It worked. We didn't have AC so between >> the whole house fan and pool we survived. ;-) The key to the whole >> house fan was blowing the attic out in the evening and cooling the >> house down. We then closed it up during the day. If you're going to >> have windows open at all you'll have pollen in the house. I prefer >> windows open, if possible. I certainly don't want the dust and >> insulation from the attic in the house! >> > >All you'd have to do there is lay a duct to the end of the attic, then >put the fan and a filter there. But nobody makes them :-( Never made your own ductwork? When I was a kid in Jr. High and High School, sheet metal shop was a requirement for all males (before equal rights... the girls had to take Home Economics ;-) > >I was thinking about a 6" or 8" inline fan and making my own filter. But >I doubt that's going to be even close in terms of required airflow. Since this would be at mild weather and/or attic exchange rate, I'd guess a 1000-2000CFM squirrel cage would do it. I'd probably use 4 20"x30" A/C filters (in an array). ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | "Somebody had to build the ceiling... before Michelangelo could go to work." - John Ratzenberger http://analog-innovations.com/SED/Somebody_had_to_build_the_ceiling.pdf
From: Joerg on 29 Oct 2009 14:28 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:10:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> krw wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:16:29 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:00:28 +0000, Martin Brown >>>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>> ChrisQ wrote: >>>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>>> On the news a few days ago: They had to close the "environmentally >>>>>>>>> compliant" new wing of a school because of H1N1. The old (real) >>>>>>>>> buildings exhibited little problems because you could open windows, >>>>>>>>> "hallways" were outdoors, etc. The newfangled building was >>>>>>>>> essentially a giant petri dish and so the kids there got sick. So >>>>>>>>> much for progress. >>>>>> That is a weakness of a lot of the no external opening windows designs. >>>>>> Sick building syndrome as the formaldehyde and other junk from the >>>>>> furniture and carpets accumulates in a poorly ventilated space. There is >>>>>> no excuse for not having fresh air heated by outgoing stale air though. >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> My home here (three years new) has not only double pane windows, it >>>>> also has plastic sealing in all the exterior walls. In a 70 mph wind, >>>>> there are only a few places where I can feel a draft - one by a wall >>>>> outlet, and the other around my back door. The door flexes enough to >>>>> release the weather stripping! >>>>> >>>>> But, my HVAC system also has a timer that causes it to go on with the >>>>> fan only at least every so often, and the system has an intake to the >>>>> outside for fresh air. ... >>>> I've always wondered where to get those. It would need to be before the >>>> filter or have its own filter. This whole concept of whole house fans is >>>> so strange, they rely on venting out instead of in so all the dust and >>>> pollen is sucked into the house. In Australia there are (IIRC) systems >>>> that blow in instead, makes a lot more sense. Never seen that in the US. >>> I put one in my NY house. It worked. We didn't have AC so between >>> the whole house fan and pool we survived. ;-) The key to the whole >>> house fan was blowing the attic out in the evening and cooling the >>> house down. We then closed it up during the day. If you're going to >>> have windows open at all you'll have pollen in the house. I prefer >>> windows open, if possible. I certainly don't want the dust and >>> insulation from the attic in the house! >>> >> All you'd have to do there is lay a duct to the end of the attic, then >> put the fan and a filter there. But nobody makes them :-( > > Never made your own ductwork? When I was a kid in Jr. High and High > School, sheet metal shop was a requirement for all males (before equal > rights... the girls had to take Home Economics ;-) > Sure I did. But you can't get the proper fans with filters up front. I mean a kind that would pass inspection. >> I was thinking about a 6" or 8" inline fan and making my own filter. But >> I doubt that's going to be even close in terms of required airflow. > > Since this would be at mild weather and/or attic exchange rate, I'd > guess a 1000-2000CFM squirrel cage would do it. I'd probably use 4 > 20"x30" A/C filters (in an array). > Pleated filters in an array for outside air intake would get expensive. At least around here. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 29 Oct 2009 14:39 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:28:50 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:10:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> krw wrote: >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:16:29 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:00:28 +0000, Martin Brown >>>>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>> ChrisQ wrote: >>>>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On the news a few days ago: They had to close the "environmentally >>>>>>>>>> compliant" new wing of a school because of H1N1. The old (real) >>>>>>>>>> buildings exhibited little problems because you could open windows, >>>>>>>>>> "hallways" were outdoors, etc. The newfangled building was >>>>>>>>>> essentially a giant petri dish and so the kids there got sick. So >>>>>>>>>> much for progress. >>>>>>> That is a weakness of a lot of the no external opening windows designs. >>>>>>> Sick building syndrome as the formaldehyde and other junk from the >>>>>>> furniture and carpets accumulates in a poorly ventilated space. There is >>>>>>> no excuse for not having fresh air heated by outgoing stale air though. >>>>>> <snip> >>>>>> >>>>>> My home here (three years new) has not only double pane windows, it >>>>>> also has plastic sealing in all the exterior walls. In a 70 mph wind, >>>>>> there are only a few places where I can feel a draft - one by a wall >>>>>> outlet, and the other around my back door. The door flexes enough to >>>>>> release the weather stripping! >>>>>> >>>>>> But, my HVAC system also has a timer that causes it to go on with the >>>>>> fan only at least every so often, and the system has an intake to the >>>>>> outside for fresh air. ... >>>>> I've always wondered where to get those. It would need to be before the >>>>> filter or have its own filter. This whole concept of whole house fans is >>>>> so strange, they rely on venting out instead of in so all the dust and >>>>> pollen is sucked into the house. In Australia there are (IIRC) systems >>>>> that blow in instead, makes a lot more sense. Never seen that in the US. >>>> I put one in my NY house. It worked. We didn't have AC so between >>>> the whole house fan and pool we survived. ;-) The key to the whole >>>> house fan was blowing the attic out in the evening and cooling the >>>> house down. We then closed it up during the day. If you're going to >>>> have windows open at all you'll have pollen in the house. I prefer >>>> windows open, if possible. I certainly don't want the dust and >>>> insulation from the attic in the house! >>>> >>> All you'd have to do there is lay a duct to the end of the attic, then >>> put the fan and a filter there. But nobody makes them :-( >> >> Never made your own ductwork? When I was a kid in Jr. High and High >> School, sheet metal shop was a requirement for all males (before equal >> rights... the girls had to take Home Economics ;-) >> > >Sure I did. But you can't get the proper fans with filters up front. I >mean a kind that would pass inspection. You're putting the filters in the wrong place. (1) EXHAUST blower in attic blowing out an external vent. (2) Electrically-controlled louver to connect to interior AC ductwork, sucking house air out into attic, then to outside world. (3) Inlet to interior of house from outside, somewhere (me, I might just cut a "window" in the side of the house ;-) outfitted with filter(s). > > >>> I was thinking about a 6" or 8" inline fan and making my own filter. But >>> I doubt that's going to be even close in terms of required airflow. >> >> Since this would be at mild weather and/or attic exchange rate, I'd >> guess a 1000-2000CFM squirrel cage would do it. I'd probably use 4 >> 20"x30" A/C filters (in an array). >> > >Pleated filters in an array for outside air intake would get expensive. >At least around here. So use cheapy fiberglass. (Pleated might not pass enough air anyway.) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | "Somebody had to build the ceiling... before Michelangelo could go to work." - John Ratzenberger http://analog-innovations.com/SED/Somebody_had_to_build_the_ceiling.pdf
From: ChrisQ on 29 Oct 2009 14:51
Joerg wrote: > Fred Abse wrote: >> >> Google maps wants decimal degrees, try: >> >> 60.297, -1.522 >> >> That gives the vicinity of West Burrafirth, Shetland. >> > > Oh yeah, that is a lonely place out there. Probably Chris' friend > doesn't get bothered by door-to-door sales people a lot :-) > Right, a man can be alone with his thoughts etc :-). Total removal from all the mental noise of the city. The reference I gave was the roof of the rebuilt croft house and it looks like they have a path north now to get vehicles through. The house is on the north west side of the loch, with the main road to the south south east side and another house just off the road. Between the two houses runs the original path round the loch, to the east. I'd live in a place like that tomorrow, but it would get the veto from my other half and it's really just a bit too far away from civilisation while i'm still doing client work. Lack of broadband would be a significant problem as well, though there are several satcom ip vendors around now and the costs have come down. (Yes, i have looked into it :-). Always wind though and you could most likely get enough power for most stuff from that, solar and heat pumps. Somewhere on the border area between wales and england looks like the most likely scenario in a few years time. Perhaps Shrewsbury area. Cape Wrath in the highlands was not received enthusiastically when I suggested it and the N York moors is all yuppie prices now... Regards, Chris |