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From: Jamal on 11 Sep 2009 16:25 Ginny, The advantage may be getting fixes faster or add extensions to VO that many people wanted for their 32bit apps which will continue to be used for some time. The developers (two or three I guess) at Grafx are focused on Vulcan and I do not see much improvment in SP3. I know there are better options now to VO, VB.NET, C# and Vulcan. I am focusing now on VB.NET and some C# especially for web development, Vulcan right now does not provide a smooth way to handle it. I'll keep watching. Jamal "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message news:00232d97$0$26774$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Jamal, > > What do you see would be the advantages of open source for VO? Either you > have VO apps that run fine now or not. Just don't consider VO the future > any more than Clipper - there are better options now. But VO apps still > run fine on Windows 7-64 and because of COM are easy to extend with .NET > code, so I think we've got some time left. Clipper is finally dead though > and won't run on 64-bit machines at all except in a VM. > > -- > > Ginny Caughey > www.wasteworks.com > > > > > "Jamal" <vodotnet(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:2puqm.2125$tl3.369(a)nwrddc01.gnilink.net... >> But Clipper for me and many others is a dead product! It had it glorious >> days. >> >> However, I would also like VO to go open source, but who is going to take >> on this task to tame this beast? >> >> Jamal >> >> "Alessandro Antonangeli" <alcati.R3m0v3th1s(a)alcati.com> wrote in message >> news:h8d1oc$ank$1(a)aioe.org... >>> Well.. more or less Clipper has gone to open source with harbour >>> project. May be it is a good project considering that it has been >>> downloaded more than 76.000 times! >>> >>> First or later I will check it and see how good it is. >>> It looks interesting (from their web site): >>> >>> Native SQL, ADO & ODBC Support >>> Support modern tecnologies: XML, FTP, TCP/IP, etc. Cross-platform: >>> 32/64-bit, Mobile, Mac, etc. Create Console, GUI, Service & Web >>> Applications >>> >>> Ciao >>> Alessandro >>> >>> >>> Jamal ha scritto: >>>> Hi Gabriel, >>>> >>>> Long post! <g> >>>> >>>> VO as Open Source? When Clipper becomes open source, then may be VO >>>> fill follow. First things first. >>
From: Willie Moore on 11 Sep 2009 16:48 Jamal, If you take your business logic (already in VO), move it to Vulcan, you can very easily use it from an ASP.Net application. On my web site, I have a file in the downloads section called inetwithVulcan.zip. It has the same web site done with aspx pages (vb.net calling Vulcan assemblies) and another set with MasterPages that has the entire site written in Vulcan (except the aspx part). But even the aspx pages inherit from Vulcan classes (no vb.net). Regards, Willie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4417 (20090911) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
From: Jamal on 11 Sep 2009 17:11 Willie, I saw your earlier post in this regard, however, it is not smooth as it is with VB.NET or C#. Anyway, these are new application so VO or Vulcan code is not going to be used. After programming in VB.NET and C# for some time, I find it errating that I have to remember that the send operater in VO is : and not the . , and Vulcan carries on the same tradition. Grafx should have really followed what is out there as main stream as it had the chance to start right. Jamal "Willie Moore" <williem(a)wmconsulting.com> wrote in message news:h8ed1t$3g5$1(a)aioe.org... Jamal, If you take your business logic (already in VO), move it to Vulcan, you can very easily use it from an ASP.Net application. On my web site, I have a file in the downloads section called inetwithVulcan.zip. It has the same web site done with aspx pages (vb.net calling Vulcan assemblies) and another set with MasterPages that has the entire site written in Vulcan (except the aspx part). But even the aspx pages inherit from Vulcan classes (no vb.net). Regards, Willie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4417 (20090911) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
From: Ginny Caughey on 11 Sep 2009 18:36 Jamal, That's my point - VO doesn't need extensions any more than Clipper did 10 years ago. (And this is notwithstanding whether open source developers would even be capable of doing anything with the VO source if they had it.) VO needs leaving behind. Just "extend" VO with one of the .NET languages you're already working with. Then you're in control of VO's "future". At least that's what I've been doing for quite a few years now and it's working well. -- Ginny Caughey www.wasteworks.com "Jamal" <vodotnet(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Ymyqm.2153$tl3.404(a)nwrddc01.gnilink.net... > Ginny, > > The advantage may be getting fixes faster or add extensions to VO that > many people wanted for their 32bit apps which will continue to be used for > some time. The developers (two or three I guess) at Grafx are focused on > Vulcan and I do not see much improvment in SP3. > > I know there are better options now to VO, VB.NET, C# and Vulcan. > I am focusing now on VB.NET and some C# especially for web development, > Vulcan right now does not provide a smooth way to handle it. I'll keep > watching. > > Jamal > > "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message > news:00232d97$0$26774$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> Jamal, >> >> What do you see would be the advantages of open source for VO? Either you >> have VO apps that run fine now or not. Just don't consider VO the future >> any more than Clipper - there are better options now. But VO apps still >> run fine on Windows 7-64 and because of COM are easy to extend with .NET >> code, so I think we've got some time left. Clipper is finally dead though >> and won't run on 64-bit machines at all except in a VM. >> >> -- >> >> Ginny Caughey >> www.wasteworks.com >> >> >> >> >> "Jamal" <vodotnet(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:2puqm.2125$tl3.369(a)nwrddc01.gnilink.net... >>> But Clipper for me and many others is a dead product! It had it glorious >>> days. >>> >>> However, I would also like VO to go open source, but who is going to >>> take on this task to tame this beast? >>> >>> Jamal >>> >>> "Alessandro Antonangeli" <alcati.R3m0v3th1s(a)alcati.com> wrote in message >>> news:h8d1oc$ank$1(a)aioe.org... >>>> Well.. more or less Clipper has gone to open source with harbour >>>> project. May be it is a good project considering that it has been >>>> downloaded more than 76.000 times! >>>> >>>> First or later I will check it and see how good it is. >>>> It looks interesting (from their web site): >>>> >>>> Native SQL, ADO & ODBC Support >>>> Support modern tecnologies: XML, FTP, TCP/IP, etc. Cross-platform: >>>> 32/64-bit, Mobile, Mac, etc. Create Console, GUI, Service & Web >>>> Applications >>>> >>>> Ciao >>>> Alessandro >>>> >>>> >>>> Jamal ha scritto: >>>>> Hi Gabriel, >>>>> >>>>> Long post! <g> >>>>> >>>>> VO as Open Source? When Clipper becomes open source, then may be VO >>>>> fill follow. First things first. >>> >
From: Ginny Caughey on 11 Sep 2009 18:37
Jamal, Agreed about not allowing the period as an alternate send operator. I don't know the technical reason why that wasn't considered. -- Ginny Caughey www.wasteworks.com "Jamal" <vodotnet(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:n2zqm.1969$Jd7.1860(a)nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > Willie, > > I saw your earlier post in this regard, however, it is not smooth as it is > with VB.NET or C#. Anyway, these are new application so VO or Vulcan code > is not going to be used. > > After programming in VB.NET and C# for some time, I find it errating that > I have to remember that the send operater in VO is : and not the . , and > Vulcan carries on the same tradition. Grafx should have really followed > what is out there as main stream as it had the chance to start right. > > Jamal > > "Willie Moore" <williem(a)wmconsulting.com> wrote in message > news:h8ed1t$3g5$1(a)aioe.org... > Jamal, > > If you take your business logic (already in VO), move it to Vulcan, you > can > very easily use it from an ASP.Net application. On my web site, I have a > file in the downloads section called inetwithVulcan.zip. It has the same > web > site done with aspx pages (vb.net calling Vulcan assemblies) and another > set > with MasterPages that has the entire site written in Vulcan (except the > aspx > part). But even the aspx pages inherit from Vulcan classes (no vb.net). > > Regards, > Willie > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4417 (20090911) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > |