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From: Power Neet on 4 Sep 2009 03:18 Willie, sorry your're right the issue is: FUNCTION Start() LOCAL X FOR X:=1 TO 10 ? maxatom() ? Val("GRAFX"+PADL(X,3,"0")) ? maxatom() WAIT NEXT RETURN NIL I already spoke to Robert, and it will be fixed It was introduced in 2000. Robert stated: "This bug is _very_ old. It was introduced a code change made by Uwe Holz in Januari 2000, because he wanted to allow the Val() function to understand scientific notation, Hex notation and binary notation like the compiler and the macro compiler use." For every evaluation a symbol is created by the macro compiler since it contains text instead of a numeric value. Normally this is not a real issue, but my app imports records in a database, and when the imported value contains a numeric value it needs to fill a second field with that value. (it's not my database !) But since the bug is still there, it could mean that a customer's application could crash after a day of work with an atom table overflow... And what do we do ? we increase the atom size. Alwin
From: Infoservice on 4 Sep 2009 03:30 No problem for $ 99, but now we have all understood that VO is dead and that we must be very careful not to do the same fate with Vulcan. With this background it is obvious that agrees to either C # or other. NET. IMHO. Regards. Francesco "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:001beaab$0$19693$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Of course you can. ;-) I was just checking to see whether the $99 charge > would affect you because you still rely on VO, or if you're like Erik and > really don't care at this point. > > I think the point is that unless Grafx can generate a revenue stream to > pay for future service packs, there just won't be any. Anybody who's in > business understands this very well. > > -- > > Ginny Caughey > www.wasteworks.com > > > > > "Infoservice" <pippo(a)aol.it> wrote in message > news:4aa00126$0$34622$4fafbaef(a)reader4.news.tin.it... >> >> "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> ha scritto nel >> messaggio news:001bcb70$0$4877$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> Francesco, >>> >>> So are planning on dropping VO? Or do you just want to complain? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Ginny Caughey >>> www.wasteworks.com >>> >> >> VO survive also without me, i want only express my opinion, after more of >> ten years of vo i can? I hope so. >> >> Francesco >
From: Willie Moore on 4 Sep 2009 08:34 Francesco, Vulcan is not dead. The good thing about the dotNet platform is that you can mix and match languages to the project. When I moved one of my VO apps to Vulcan, I call the Vulcan part from inside of ASP.NET. To ASP.Net, the business layer is just the business layer. VB.Net has no problem with Vulcan. In rightSLE, I have a section written in C#. There was a particular issue I was having and I found a C# example. Instead of wasting my time translating the C# into Vulcan, I just used the C# code as another project in my overall solution. With tools like reflector, you can take C#, VB, Vulcan and move them back and forth to whatever language you prefer. Regards, Willie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4394 (20090904) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 4 Sep 2009 16:10 Ehh, we do test real-life apps with every build of VO! Sure we find issues, but most of them just annoying and no showstoppers. After our apps run fine and after initial install of the VOPS build, compiling and testing, most of the VOPS builds made it to our customers! Last week we compiled Bake-it in Vulcan. Offcoarse some things must be done but it ran, inclusing most 3rd party stuff like bBrowser, Fab, SEMenu etc.. Since Bake-it is a 350+ DBF's and 1000+ window app, I never imagined that that was possible at all. We are not there yet, but Bake-it running as a Vulcan app will be the starting point for a full migration to .Net in the coming months. We now have the possibility to slowly inlcude the numerous ..Net controls and make Bake-it ready for the next years to come and stay competitive. I do not understand why you are bashing like this here. It must be frustration and I do not think ventilating frustration this way is the way to go. We all know that VO is not a major language and we all know that it is difficult to make money with a development language, but Grafx is trying to serve the VO community and keep the development tool and language alive for the people like us which make their money with it. And I am thankfull for that! People are different and Brian and I are very different and I would have done things very different than he, but then, I was not brave enough to become the owner of VO! This is the way he goes and I respect him for taking this responsibility! For me Grafx has shown the last few years that they listen to customers and if there are major issues and showstoppers, they are helping and fix them. This has been different in the past, but this is exactly where VOPS shows it's value since it exists! 99$ is about 70 euro's! Only one diner at a mediocre restaurant. Software is never perfect and yes, SP3 is containing bugs for sure, but then, so does your software and mine! I really don't care if VO is dead or not, but I do care if it is working or not! And it is working very well the last say 10 builds. If you use VO, just buy SP3! If your pride is preventing you for doing it, I'll be happy to buy SP3 for you as a gift to show my thanks for what you meant for me and our software in the past. Just drop a note! If you are not using VO anymore, please leave this forum and migrate to the Microsoft C# forum please! Your comments here are helping nobody! My 2 cents... -- Grtz, Marc "E�!k \/!sser" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht news:7ga3o0F2oupbtU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Hi Ginny, > > with all respect: >> 1. I'm pretty sure that Grafx announced that sp 2 would be the last free >> upgrade for VO. at the time sp 2 was released. Was sp 2 perfect? No. Will >> sp 3 be perfect? No. That's life. > > SP2 made clear the VOPS is not even close to a beta forum. After Geoff has > been wiped out there, there was (and probebly still is) nobody who > installs the new releases and tests them with real-life apps right away. > That lead to a buggy SP2 release with several new introduced bugs..It just > wasn't tested in real life. > Shortly after the release of SP2 Robert announce a quick and free patch > for the new introduced shortcomings. > Never seen that ( outside the VOPS forum) > >> 2. I think $99 for VO only is pretty reasonable. I guess you don't but I >> think most people would. As I understand it the $99 sp 3 version is the >> latest and greatest available on VOPS and represents a year's work. > > A year's work? If it takes a year between a SP2 and a SP3 release, that > does not mean it was a year's work. If you look at the what's new list, > you must agree this could be done within a month or so. > Brian is businessman enough to not pay Robert for a year for only > producing this release. > On the other hand, this would explain the little progress on Vulcan... <g> > > I would be happy to pay USD 100 for a yearly update/fixes. But as Robert > wrote in another posting, VO is (in my own words) like Michael Jackson: > dead and waiting to be barried. So if Grafx is not going to support the > product any longer, why should we support Grafx? > If VO is no longer maintainted, CA can reclaim it. That would be the only > reason I can think of for Grafx to come with a 'fake' SP so once in a > while. > > > Erik > > > > > > >> >> -- >> >> Ginny Caughey >> www.wasteworks.com >> >> >> >> >> "Infoservice" <pippo(a)aol.it> wrote in message >> news:4a9fca4b$0$43592$4fafbaef(a)reader1.news.tin.it... >>> Brian, >>> sure, and all were hoping for a VOPS only for VO at reasonable prices, >>> but we have not had. >>> Many people would buy and the development would be ensured. >>> But today, with. NET on doors, I do believe that Vulcan will still have >>> fewer users of Vo. >>> The question, limited to of SP3, is not in money but in a way. >>> Not to maintain that promise does not help the reputation of a company >>> like Grafx >>> Regards >>> >>> Francesco >>> >>> >>> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> ha scritto nel >>> messaggio news:PPBnm.15511$ze1.14271(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >>>> Francesco. >>>> >>>> Whilst I sympathise with your sentiment, the reality is that the VO >>>> community is very small. The product contains issues and problems well >>>> before GrafX took it over and whilst I agree that they should provide >>>> patches for the new bugs they introduce, we have to support the product >>>> somehow. This is perhaps the only way we will get anything because I am >>>> certain VO is no longer a money spinner for anyone. >>>> >>>> Although I know there are literally 1000's of VO apps in operation out >>>> there, active supporting developers would now number less than 600 >>>> world-wide and the visible number of these is less than 200. It is a >>>> very small user base to support. >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Infoservice" <pippo(a)aol.it> wrote in message >>>> news:4a9e5005$0$34620$4fafbaef(a)reader4.news.tin.it: >>>> >>>>> Brian, >>>>> why paying for service packs? I shall correct my program's bug free! >>>>> Is >>>>> shameful! >>>>> My idea of leaving VO is growing! >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Francesco Leo >>>> >>> >
From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 4 Sep 2009 16:12
Just 1, but that was in the SCC and fixed already! -- Grtz, Marc "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht news:UmXnm.15720$ze1.11953(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > ..and how many bugs have you detected? <g> > > > "Willie Moore" <williem(a)wmconsulting.com> wrote in message > news:h7on2r$a3f$1(a)aioe.org: > >> Erik, >> >> I run and test each new version of VO before I release my apps. I >> already >> have production apps in 2834. They are all running very smoothly. >> >> Regards, >> Willie >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4392 (20090903) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com > |