From: Mike Schilling on
Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> Peter Olcott wrote:
> ...
>> I just want to know if it makes any sense to convert local
>> punctuation and local digits to ASCII for the computer
>> language that I am designing. That is the sole purpose of
>> this thread. I used Chinese Java to provide a completely
>> concrete example.
> ...
>
> I don't have any experience with Chinese Java, but I have read a
> couple of French Fortran programs, and France really does have
> language purity laws. The identifiers and comments were all in
> French, but the punctuation in the actual code was normal Fortran
> punctuation. In particular, real constants were written as e.g.
> "3.14", not "3,14" as one would expect in French.

Using the French decimal point would necessitate other changes, since
otherwise

CALL FOO(3,14)

would be ambiguous in whether it calls FOO with two integers or a real, of
course.


From: Peter Olcott on

"Lew" <noone(a)lewscanon.com> wrote in message
news:htf8rp$687$1(a)news.albasani.net...
> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>> Common sense sometimes fails miserly [sic] when it is
>>>> up
>>>> against transcendental wisdom.
>
> Lew wrote:
>>> And transcendental wisdom is miserly when it comes to
>>> putting food on the table, for which one normally has to
>>> spend some cents if not some sense.
>
> Peter Olcott quoted the sig:
>>> --
>>> Lew
>
> PLEASE don't quote sigs.
>
> Peter Olcott wrote:
>> Buddha has no trouble there.
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that it was transcendental
> wisdom that kept the Buddha fed?

No. Only that there are alternative ways of putting food on
the table.

>
> You are a laugh riot.
>
> The Buddha explicitly rejected ascetism and promoted the
> Middle Way, which involves, guess what? The use of common
> sense!
>

Not exactly.

> You kind-of missed the point on the Buddha's teachings. I
> know of nothing there that repudiates common sense.

It is not possible to become enlightened unless you have a
sufficiently open mind to accept the possibility that as
much as all of common sense is untrue. We may be straying
too far off topic here.

>
> --
> Lew
> PLEASE don't quote sigs!


From: Peter Olcott on

"Patricia Shanahan" <pats(a)acm.org> wrote in message
news:rcWdnYk4u-X7qmbWnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
> Peter Olcott wrote:
> ...
>> I just want to know if it makes any sense to convert
>> local punctuation and local digits to ASCII for the
>> computer language that I am designing. That is the sole
>> purpose of this thread. I used Chinese Java to provide a
>> completely concrete example.
> ...
>
> I don't have any experience with Chinese Java, but I have
> read a couple
> of French Fortran programs, and France really does have
> language purity
> laws. The identifiers and comments were all in French, but
> the
> punctuation in the actual code was normal Fortran
> punctuation. In
> particular, real constants were written as e.g. "3.14",
> not "3,14" as
> one would expect in French.
>
> Patricia

Excellent, now that I have provided the exact focus I am
getting exactly what I need, thanks.


From: Lew on
Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> I just want to know if it makes any sense to convert local
>>> punctuation and local digits to ASCII for the computer
>>> language that I am designing. That is the sole purpose of
>>> this thread. I used Chinese Java to provide a completely
>>> concrete example.

Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> I don't have any experience with Chinese Java, but I have read a
>> couple of French Fortran programs, and France really does have
>> language purity laws. The identifiers and comments were all in
>> French, but the punctuation in the actual code was normal Fortran
>> punctuation. In particular, real constants were written as e.g.
>> "3.14", not "3,14" as one would expect in French.

Mike Schilling wrote:
> Using the French decimal point would necessitate other changes, since
> otherwise
>
> CALL FOO(3,14)
>
> would be ambiguous in whether it calls FOO with two integers or a real, of
> course.

FORTRAN is not English. Neither is Java.

Requiring that either one conform to the rules of a natural language decimal
point makes as much sense as requiring that their statements end in a period.

--
Lew
From: Lew on
Peter Olcott wrote:
>> --
>> Lew
>> PLEASE don't quote sigs!

You really ARE a laugh riot.

--
Lew