From: Andrei Popescu on
On Fri,26.Feb.10, 06:16:35, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:55:27 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
> > aptitude was updated; the alsa-firmware-loaders installed; dpkg
> > reconfigured alsa base and alsa utils; no PCM in alsamixer.
> > ...
> > What would you suggest doing now?
>
> I'm afraid I'm stumped, Cecil. I've never seen this before.
> Every sound chip I've ever used had a PCM device in alsamixer.
> What happens when you try to play a .wav file using the aplay
> command? Do you get any error messages?
>
> At this point, the only thing I can suggest is to install Squeeze
> instead of Lenny and hope that the problem is fixed with newer
> drivers. Lenny is getting a bit long in the tooth. It was
> frozen in August of 2008. But then again, if your sound card
> is significantly older than that ...
>
> Maybe someone else on the list has some more ideas. I've
> run out. Sorry I couldn't help you.

I would suggest installing the backports kernel before upgrading to
squeeze. See http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions

Regards,
Andrei
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From: Stephen Powell on
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:32:35 -0500 (EST), Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
> I would suggest installing the backports kernel before upgrading to
> squeeze. See http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions

Good idea. That's less radical.


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From: Florian Kulzer on
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:17:09 -0800, Cecil Knutson wrote:
> Florian,
> Sorry it took so long for me to realize I did not respond to your
> last email.

No problem, I was pretty busy with work anyway. You have covered a lot
of ground with Stephen Powell in the meantime, and I do not have too
many things to add to that. I never had a soundblaster card myself; all
I post here is based on general ALSA knowledge and educated guesses.

> Here are the outputs of amixer and aplay.
> dimension8400:/home/cecil# amixer

[ output edited ]

> Simple mixer control 'Line in',0
> Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
> Simple mixer control 'Phone',0
> Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
> Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Center/LFE',0
> Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Front',0
> Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Rear',0
> Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Unknown',0
> Simple mixer control 'Aux',0
> Simple mixer control 'Analog Center/LFE',0
> Simple mixer control 'Analog Front',0
> Simple mixer control 'Analog Rear',0
> Simple mixer control 'Analog Side',0
> Simple mixer control 'Analog Source',0
> Capabilities: cenum
> Items: 'Phone' 'Mic' 'Line in' 'Aux'
> Item0: 'Line in'
> Simple mixer control 'CAPTURE feedback',0
> Simple mixer control 'Digital Source',0
> Capabilities: cenum
> Items: 'IEC958 out' 'i2s mixer out' 'IEC958 in' 'i2s in' 'AC97 in'
> 'SRC out'
> Item0: 'i2s in'
> Simple mixer control 'Shared Mic/Line in',0
> Capabilities: cenum
> Items: 'Line in' 'Mic in'
> Item0: 'Line in'

I googled around a bit and I have seen reports that do not show a PCM
channel in asound.state for another soundblaster card (scroll to the
bottom of the page):

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/alsa-not-working-for-creative-sound-blaster-live-24-bit-sound-card-355129/

There is a relatively recent ubuntu bug report about snd-ca0106:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/361423

My problem is that I do not know what "Analog Source", "Digital Source"
and "Shared Mic/Line in" are supposed to do. You could try different
settings with these controls and also to turn turn down or mute all the
IEC958 controls (if you have not done this already.) I would also try to
turn "CAPTURE feedback" down. ALSA controls can have somewhat counter-
intuitive effects and interactions at times, so one has to test many
combinations of settings.

Apart from that I can only echo what Stephen and Andrei have suggested:
Try a newer version of ALSA with a back-ported kernel or by checking
with Squeeze. It might be helpful to know if the most recent Knoppix
live CD can get the sound going.

The other thing you can do is search for message related to the sound
module, by running

dmesg | grep -Ei 'ca0106|ac97'

right after you have booted the system.

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From: Cecil Knutson on
Stephen,
I get silence when trying to play a .wav file with aplay. No error
messages, just says "Playing WAVE 'Track1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little
Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo" The sound card is, without doubt, older
than 2008. I've had the system for at least two years myself and Dell
support says the system shipped in 2004.
It is no honor to me to have stumped you. And Florian. Another mystery
with respect to Debian. I have been trying to supplant Windows since
getting Debian Potato, but there is some discrepancy with every
installation of Debian I have done that renders it less capable than
Windows. Some really weird ones, too. All I am willing to do right now
is to try another installation on a completely different system. I am not
comfortable with trying Squeeze, thank you. It seems futile after getting
sound out of Ubuntu 9.10, which has a good driver base and a recent
kernel. Do you foresee any gross problems with transferring the HD from
this system to another system and repeating the installation procedure? (I
do!! I just remembered that the HD in this system is SATA and all my other
systems are PATA.) I'm tired of wiping Windows installations for no good
reason. I had an older Dell system on which Sarge installed with no
problems whatsoever, and I was soooo pleased. Then the HD died and I
replaced it with another, reinstalled Sarge and could never get another
desktop. From just changing the HD? Give me a break, please. It is
obvious to me that I am going to have to dig into Debian just as I have
done with Windows and DOS. That is unfortunate because I have gotten to
the point with computers now that I just want them to work, I don't want
to fix them any more. I have been repairing systems for over twenty
years, and the fun is gone. Now it is just frustrating as hell to get new
technology that isn't any more capable, stable nor secure (in my
experience) than the old. Feces!! Many thanks, again.

Cecil


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From: Lisi on
On Saturday 27 February 2010 06:33:51 Cecil Knutson wrote:
[snipped lengthy reply with no context]

Cecil - could you possibly start interleaving or even bottom posting (after
suitsble culling) your replies? This is a very busy list and I have
difficulty following this thread.

Thanks
Lisi


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