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From: Joseki on 15 Jul 2010 07:11 On Jul 15, 4:36 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 15, 1:53 am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <8a7c6vF3f4...(a)mid.individual.net>, Mark K Bilbo > > > <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:02:00 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > Have you ever considered that God took the necessary chemical elements > > > > and combined them with each other to make life on this earth? > > > > That would be abiogenesis. > > > abiogenesis usually means that it happened by chance. > > No. > > PDW http://www.answers.com/topic/abiogenesis The supposed development of living organisms from nonliving matter. Also called autogenesis, spontaneous generation. a hypothetical organic phenomenon by which living organisms are created from nonliving matter wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn In the natural sciences, abiogenesis (, ) or biopoesis is the theory of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis The supposed origination of living organisms from lifeless matter; such genesis as does not involve the action of living parents; spontaneous generation en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenesis abiogenic - Of chemicals, not produced by means of biochemical activity of organisms while alive en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenic abiogenetical - Variation of abiogenetic en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenetical the hypothetical process where life spontaneously formed from organic material that had arisen from inorganic material. www.carm.org/evolution-terminology An ancient belief that life can emerge from inanimate matter. search.barnesandnoble.com/Students-Dictionary-for-Biblical-and- Theological-Studies/F-B-Huey/e/9780310459514 (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is the formation of life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily used to refer to the chemical origin of life, such as from a 'primordial soup' or in the vicinity of hydrothermal vents, and most probably through a number of intermediate ... wiki.smashits.com/wikipedia/Abiogenesis I guess major dictionaries including the one used in Princeton disagrees with the lot of you.
From: Tim Miller on 15 Jul 2010 07:21 Joseki wrote: > On Jul 15, 4:36 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Jul 15, 1:53 am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>> In article <8a7c6vF3f4...(a)mid.individual.net>, Mark K Bilbo >>> <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:02:00 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>> Have you ever considered that God took the necessary chemical elements >>>>> and combined them with each other to make life on this earth? >>>> That would be abiogenesis. >>> abiogenesis usually means that it happened by chance. >> No. >> >> PDW > > http://www.answers.com/topic/abiogenesis > > The supposed development of living organisms from nonliving matter. > Also called autogenesis, spontaneous generation. > > a hypothetical organic phenomenon by which living organisms are > created from nonliving matter > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > In the natural sciences, abiogenesis (, ) or biopoesis is the theory > of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. ... > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis > The supposed origination of living organisms from lifeless matter; > such genesis as does not involve the action of living parents; > spontaneous generation > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenesis > abiogenic - Of chemicals, not produced by means of biochemical > activity of organisms while alive > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenic > abiogenetical - Variation of abiogenetic > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenetical > the hypothetical process where life spontaneously formed from organic > material that had arisen from inorganic material. > www.carm.org/evolution-terminology > An ancient belief that life can emerge from inanimate matter. > search.barnesandnoble.com/Students-Dictionary-for-Biblical-and- > Theological-Studies/F-B-Huey/e/9780310459514 > (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is the formation of > life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily used to refer > to the chemical origin of life, such as from a 'primordial soup' or in > the vicinity of hydrothermal vents, and most probably through a number > of intermediate ... > wiki.smashits.com/wikipedia/Abiogenesis > > > I guess major dictionaries including the one used in Princeton > disagrees with the lot of you. I guess English isn't a language you're familiar with. None of those definitions even MENTION the words "by chance" or "random".
From: Joseki on 15 Jul 2010 07:43 On Jul 15, 7:21 am, Tim Miller <replytonewsgr...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > Joseki wrote: > > On Jul 15, 4:36 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 15, 1:53 am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >>> In article <8a7c6vF3f4...(a)mid.individual.net>, Mark K Bilbo > >>> <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:02:00 -0700, Jason wrote: > >>>>> Have you ever considered that God took the necessary chemical elements > >>>>> and combined them with each other to make life on this earth? > >>>> That would be abiogenesis. > >>> abiogenesis usually means that it happened by chance. > >> No. > > >> PDW > > >http://www.answers.com/topic/abiogenesis > > > The supposed development of living organisms from nonliving matter. > > Also called autogenesis, spontaneous generation. > > > a hypothetical organic phenomenon by which living organisms are > > created from nonliving matter > > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > > In the natural sciences, abiogenesis (, ) or biopoesis is the theory > > of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. ... > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis > > The supposed origination of living organisms from lifeless matter; > > such genesis as does not involve the action of living parents; > > spontaneous generation > > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenesis > > abiogenic - Of chemicals, not produced by means of biochemical > > activity of organisms while alive > > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenic > > abiogenetical - Variation of abiogenetic > > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenetical > > the hypothetical process where life spontaneously formed from organic > > material that had arisen from inorganic material. > >www.carm.org/evolution-terminology > > An ancient belief that life can emerge from inanimate matter. > > search.barnesandnoble.com/Students-Dictionary-for-Biblical-and- > > Theological-Studies/F-B-Huey/e/9780310459514 > > (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is the formation of > > life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily used to refer > > to the chemical origin of life, such as from a 'primordial soup' or in > > the vicinity of hydrothermal vents, and most probably through a number > > of intermediate ... > > wiki.smashits.com/wikipedia/Abiogenesis > > > I guess major dictionaries including the one used in Princeton > > disagrees with the lot of you. > > I guess English isn't a language you're familiar with. None of those > definitions even MENTION the words "by chance" or "random". I am actually very Familiar with English and five other languages. Here is what the denizen of talk.Origins say: http://creationwiki.org/(Talk.Origins)_Even_the_simplest_life_is_incredibly_complex 3. Nobody claims the first life arose by chance. However, in a naturalistic model, it does come down to chance the chance the Big Bang produced the right type of universe, the chance of sufficient raw material being on a planet in the right orbit, the chance of getting the right molecules in sufficient concentrations for a sufficient number of trials, and so on. Then there is the random nature of molecular motion, which means that there is chance involved in getting specific molecules together to form the next step before they break down. The only way to eliminate chance is for life to have originated by means of an intelligent agent (God), which is the exact opposite of a naturalistic origin. So whether acknowledged or not, a naturalistic origin of life ultimately requires chance, and the only real question is: Are the odds high enough for it to be statistically possible?
From: Tim Miller on 15 Jul 2010 07:48 Joseki wrote: > On Jul 15, 7:21 am, Tim Miller <replytonewsgr...(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: >> Joseki wrote: >>> On Jul 15, 4:36 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Jul 15, 1:53 am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> In article <8a7c6vF3f4...(a)mid.individual.net>, Mark K Bilbo >>>>> <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:02:00 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>>>> Have you ever considered that God took the necessary chemical elements >>>>>>> and combined them with each other to make life on this earth? >>>>>> That would be abiogenesis. >>>>> abiogenesis usually means that it happened by chance. >>>> No. >>>> PDW >>> http://www.answers.com/topic/abiogenesis >>> The supposed development of living organisms from nonliving matter. >>> Also called autogenesis, spontaneous generation. >>> a hypothetical organic phenomenon by which living organisms are >>> created from nonliving matter >>> wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn >>> In the natural sciences, abiogenesis (, ) or biopoesis is the theory >>> of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. ... >>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis >>> The supposed origination of living organisms from lifeless matter; >>> such genesis as does not involve the action of living parents; >>> spontaneous generation >>> en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenesis >>> abiogenic - Of chemicals, not produced by means of biochemical >>> activity of organisms while alive >>> en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenic >>> abiogenetical - Variation of abiogenetic >>> en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenetical >>> the hypothetical process where life spontaneously formed from organic >>> material that had arisen from inorganic material. >>> www.carm.org/evolution-terminology >>> An ancient belief that life can emerge from inanimate matter. >>> search.barnesandnoble.com/Students-Dictionary-for-Biblical-and- >>> Theological-Studies/F-B-Huey/e/9780310459514 >>> (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is the formation of >>> life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily used to refer >>> to the chemical origin of life, such as from a 'primordial soup' or in >>> the vicinity of hydrothermal vents, and most probably through a number >>> of intermediate ... >>> wiki.smashits.com/wikipedia/Abiogenesis >>> I guess major dictionaries including the one used in Princeton >>> disagrees with the lot of you. >> I guess English isn't a language you're familiar with. None of those >> definitions even MENTION the words "by chance" or "random". > > I am actually very Familiar with English and five other languages. > > > Here is what the denizen of talk.Origins say: > http://creationwiki.org/(Talk.Origins)_Even_the_simplest_life_is_incredibly_complex Again, you just can't seem to follow a simple English sentence. Maybe you should try one of your other "5 languages"?? This is NOT what the denizen(s) of talk.origins say. This is what the boneheads at "creationwiki" say. They don't seem to understand things any better than you. 3. Nobody claims the first life arose by chance. To jump from the fact that the origin is unknown to the conclusion that it could not have happened naturally is the argument from incredulity. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010_1.html > 3. Nobody claims the first life arose by chance. > > However, in a naturalistic model, it does come down to chance � the > chance the Big Bang produced the right type of universe, the chance of > sufficient raw material being on a planet in the right orbit, the > chance of getting the right molecules in sufficient concentrations for > a sufficient number of trials, and so on. > Then there is the random nature of molecular motion, which means that > there is chance involved in getting specific molecules together to > form the next step before they break down. > The only way to eliminate chance is for life to have originated by > means of an intelligent agent (God), which is the exact opposite of a > naturalistic origin. > So whether acknowledged or not, a naturalistic origin of life > ultimately requires chance, and the only real question is: Are the > odds high enough for it to be statistically possible?
From: Sam Wormley on 15 Jul 2010 07:51
On 7/15/10 6:43 AM, Joseki wrote: > However, in a naturalistic model, it does come down to chance � the > chance the Big Bang produced the right type of universe, the chance of > sufficient raw material being on a planet in the right orbit, the > chance of getting the right molecules in sufficient concentrations for > a sufficient number of trials, and so on. Why are you convinced that creation of universes isn't essentially the same every time? |