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From: Parish *~ on 17 Jul 2010 08:55 "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1707100206510001(a)67-150-126-151.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <i1r871$k66$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" > <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1607101212050001(a)67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article <i1ps07$rkr$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" >> > <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-1507102002470001(a)67-150-123-205.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >> >> >> One >> >> > evolutionist tried to convince me that since apes and mankind are >> >> > similar--that means that one of mankind's ancestor was an ape-like >> >> > creature. My response was that since many larger warm blooded >> >> > animals >> >> > need >> >> > things like lungs, stomachs, veins, arteries, hearts, etc.--why not >> >> > make >> >> > them similar in those creatures. Why should God have to develop or >> >> > invent >> >> > special unique lungs, etc for mankind that were VASTLY different >> >> > than >> >> > lungs, etc. that are in larger animals. Do you see my point? >> >> >> >> I see your point but it doesn't mean any gods were involved since life >> >> is >> >> so >> >> "faulty" as you must agree. The god would have had to be drunk or a >> >> sadist >> >> to create us as he did. And Geeze.... why would a god create disease >> >> organisms and parasites to make us suffer and die so horribly? >> > >> > Everything that God first created was perfect. Over the years--it has >> > been >> > corrupted by sin. >> >> No Jason, that's just the spewings of the WTS's GB as we both know. >> Nothing >> about it in the bible. The Adam and Eve story is pure allegory as most >> churches now teach. They know there was no Garden of Eden, no forbidden >> fruit. No talking donkeys. No sticks turning into snakes. The entire >> story >> is absurd as you would know if you had any background in biology. >> >> Going by what you said the God created the perfect diseases and parasites >> and DNA fragility to kill us and make mammals and birds suffer. It seems >> you can't accept that your God, as a creator, was worse than poor at it. > Those things came about as a result of sin--we live in a corrupted world. No Jason, you're just repeating what the WTS claims, not what the bible says. You've been taken to task for this before. Please read: Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Sin is an religious concept. Sin is subjective and doesn't create disease and the the other things on this earth. You've been told this before. You forgot? > God will eventually make the world into a paradise. You have no scientific evidence any of the gods exist, no less the one you happen to worship. You just keep repeating what the WTS tells you, over and over again rather than make an effort to change your world for the better. Why not do some volunteer work in a Nursing Home or Children's ward of a hosp where god ignores the suffering and death of innocent little ones? Make yourself useful on the earth instead of just whining as the WTS does, using God as an excuse? -- The Parrish *~, American-American-American. * * * * * * "The Mass is the most perfect form of making money." * * * * * * * *
From: Free Lunch on 17 Jul 2010 11:35 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:11:28 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in alt.talk.creationism: >In article <i1r7sd$5ba$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" <AD(a)invalid.com> >wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1607101210250001(a)67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article <i1pd0n$24s$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" <AD(a)invalid.com> >> > wrote: >> >> > For fellowship with mankind. >> >> >> >> But he/she/it doesn't "fellowship" with us. It fellowships, according to >> >> the bible, with angels and other heavenly "beings." What it has done in >> >> the >> >> past is murder human beings by the thousands, not fellowship with them. >> >> You >> >> need to think a little more before you reply to questions. Or perhaps >> >> actually read your bible cover to cover and trash the WTBTS rags and >> >> books. >> >> :) >> > >> >> > I disagree. There is lots of evidence in the Bible that God has fellowship >> > with mankind. >> >> Oh really? How and where is he being seen and communicated with? What is >> he saying these days and to who? And where is the proof or evidence he's >> showing up again and talking to people? Having dinner with them, going >> places with them, taking vacations with them......... ? I know of no Gods >> fellowshipping with man. >> >> >An example is the relationship God had with prophets, Moses, >> > Joseph, John (the writer of the book of Revelations) etc. >> >> I'm not talking about the Bronze Age. I'm talking about now. We live NOW, >> not thousands of years ago. > >There are lots of excellent preachers and evangelists. Presumably those are the ones who tell the same lies you tell. >There are also lots >of Grandmothers and others. They spend lots of time praying and >fellowshipping with God. I am not saying that every preacher, evangelist >and Grandmother is involved in fellowship with God--however, some of them >do have fellowship with God. In my church, I know several members that >spend lots of time in prayer each day. One of the ladies has a prayer list >that has about 50 names on it and she prays for everyone of them everyday. Don't the gods have to exist to be in fellowship with them?
From: Free Lunch on 17 Jul 2010 11:39 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:06:51 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in alt.talk.creationism: >In article <i1r871$k66$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" ><Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1607101212050001(a)67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article <i1ps07$rkr$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" >> > <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-1507102002470001(a)67-150-123-205.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >> >> >> One >> >> > evolutionist tried to convince me that since apes and mankind are >> >> > similar--that means that one of mankind's ancestor was an ape-like >> >> > creature. My response was that since many larger warm blooded animals >> >> > need >> >> > things like lungs, stomachs, veins, arteries, hearts, etc.--why not >> >> > make >> >> > them similar in those creatures. Why should God have to develop or >> >> > invent >> >> > special unique lungs, etc for mankind that were VASTLY different than >> >> > lungs, etc. that are in larger animals. Do you see my point? >> >> >> >> I see your point but it doesn't mean any gods were involved since life is >> >> so >> >> "faulty" as you must agree. The god would have had to be drunk or a >> >> sadist >> >> to create us as he did. And Geeze.... why would a god create disease >> >> organisms and parasites to make us suffer and die so horribly? >> > >> > Everything that God first created was perfect. Over the years--it has been >> > corrupted by sin. >> >> No Jason, that's just the spewings of the WTS's GB as we both know. Nothing >> about it in the bible. The Adam and Eve story is pure allegory as most >> churches now teach. They know there was no Garden of Eden, no forbidden >> fruit. No talking donkeys. No sticks turning into snakes. The entire story >> is absurd as you would know if you had any background in biology. >> >> Going by what you said the God created the perfect diseases and parasites >> and DNA fragility to kill us and make mammals and birds suffer. It seems >> you can't accept that your God, as a creator, was worse than poor at it. > >Those things came about as a result of sin--we live in a corrupted world. >God will eventually make the world into a paradise. > So you are telling us that your god was incompetent and could not make it a paradise at the first go round. Since no evidence supports any of your claims, why do you make them?
From: Ralph on 17 Jul 2010 14:53 On 7/15/2010 5:21 PM, Jason wrote: > In article<SoidnSE-D7YixaLRnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 7/15/2010 1:48 PM, Jason wrote: >>> In article >>> <f57b52d4-2f1c-4835-a1a8-9dd20c643e07(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, >>> Joseki<jabriol2000(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 15, 7:21=A0am, Tim Miller<replytonewsgr...(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Joseki wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 15, 4:36 am, "Syd M."<pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:53 am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> In article<8a7c6vF3f4...(a)mid.individual.net>, Mark K Bilbo >>>>>>>> <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:02:00 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Have you ever considered that God took the necessary chemical eleme= >>>> nts >>>>>>>>>> and combined them with each other to make life on this earth? >>>>>>>>> That would be abiogenesis. >>>>>>>> abiogenesis usually means that it happened by chance. >>>>>>> No. >>>>> >>>>>>> PDW >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.answers.com/topic/abiogenesis >>>>> >>>>>> The supposed development of living organisms from nonliving matter. >>>>>> Also called autogenesis, spontaneous generation. >>>>> >>>>>> a hypothetical organic phenomenon by which living organisms are >>>>>> created from nonliving matter >>>>>> wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn >>>>>> In the natural sciences, abiogenesis (, ) or biopoesis is the theory >>>>>> of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. ... >>>>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis >>>>>> The supposed origination of living organisms from lifeless matter; >>>>>> such genesis as does not involve the action of living parents; >>>>>> spontaneous generation >>>>>> en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenesis >>>>>> abiogenic - Of chemicals, not produced by means of biochemical >>>>>> activity of organisms while alive >>>>>> en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenic >>>>>> abiogenetical - Variation of abiogenetic >>>>>> en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abiogenetical >>>>>> the hypothetical process where life spontaneously formed from organic >>>>>> material that had arisen from inorganic material. >>>>>> www.carm.org/evolution-terminology >>>>>> An ancient belief that life can emerge from inanimate matter. >>>>>> search.barnesandnoble.com/Students-Dictionary-for-Biblical-and- >>>>>> Theological-Studies/F-B-Huey/e/9780310459514 >>>>>> (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is the formation of >>>>>> life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily used to refer >>>>>> to the chemical origin of life, such as from a 'primordial soup' or in >>>>>> the vicinity of hydrothermal vents, and most probably through a number >>>>>> of intermediate ... >>>>>> wiki.smashits.com/wikipedia/Abiogenesis >>>>> >>>>>> I guess major dictionaries including the one used in Princeton >>>>>> disagrees with the lot of you. >>>>> >>>>> I guess English isn't a language you're familiar with. None of those >>>>> definitions even MENTION the words "by chance" or "random". >>>> >>>> I am actually very Familiar with English and five other languages. >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is what the denizen of talk.Origins say: >>>> > http://creationwiki.org/(Talk.Origins)_Even_the_simplest_life_is_incredibly= >>>> _complex >>>> >>>> 3. Nobody claims the first life arose by chance. >>>> >>>> However, in a naturalistic model, it does come down to chance =97 the >>>> chance the Big Bang produced the right type of universe, the chance of >>>> sufficient raw material being on a planet in the right orbit, the >>>> chance of getting the right molecules in sufficient concentrations for >>>> a sufficient number of trials, and so on. >>>> Then there is the random nature of molecular motion, which means that >>>> there is chance involved in getting specific molecules together to >>>> form the next step before they break down. >>>> The only way to eliminate chance is for life to have originated by >>>> means of an intelligent agent (God), which is the exact opposite of a >>>> naturalistic origin. >>>> So whether acknowledged or not, a naturalistic origin of life >>>> ultimately requires chance, and the only real question is: Are the >>>> odds high enough for it to be statistically possible? >>> >>> Great points >> >> >> >> Here we go with the odds again. What are the odds that a god who is >> involved personally with everything on this paltry earth created the >> entire universe just for the fun of it. Why, I'll bet that they would be >> incalculable. > > I never stated that God created the entire universe just for the fun of it. Then why did he create the entire universe? You do understand that in biblical times they had no idea that the universe outside of what they could see, actually existed. In fact, when I try to tell you a few things about science, I think your reaction is about the same as telling those goat herders 2-3,000 thousand years ago.
From: Ralph on 17 Jul 2010 14:55
On 7/15/2010 8:02 PM, Jason wrote: > In article<i1o1h3$eib$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno"<AD(a)invalid.com> > wrote: > >> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1507101421280001(a)66-53-215-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>> In article<SoidnSE-D7YixaLRnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph >>> <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Here we go with the odds again. What are the odds that a god who is >>>> involved personally with everything on this paltry earth created the >>>> entire universe just for the fun of it. Why, I'll bet that they would be >>>> incalculable. >>> >>> I never stated that God created the entire universe just for the fun of >>> it. >> >> What other reason would a great all powerful and all knowing god have. >> >>> >>> > > For fellowship with mankind. The solar system in so minuscule to the entire universe that it can hardly be imagined. Why did god create the universe instead of our solar system? |