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From: Jason on 17 Jul 2010 05:06 In article <i1r871$k66$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-1607101212050001(a)67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > In article <i1ps07$rkr$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" > > <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-1507102002470001(a)67-150-123-205.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > >> > >> One > >> > evolutionist tried to convince me that since apes and mankind are > >> > similar--that means that one of mankind's ancestor was an ape-like > >> > creature. My response was that since many larger warm blooded animals > >> > need > >> > things like lungs, stomachs, veins, arteries, hearts, etc.--why not > >> > make > >> > them similar in those creatures. Why should God have to develop or > >> > invent > >> > special unique lungs, etc for mankind that were VASTLY different than > >> > lungs, etc. that are in larger animals. Do you see my point? > >> > >> I see your point but it doesn't mean any gods were involved since life is > >> so > >> "faulty" as you must agree. The god would have had to be drunk or a > >> sadist > >> to create us as he did. And Geeze.... why would a god create disease > >> organisms and parasites to make us suffer and die so horribly? > > > > Everything that God first created was perfect. Over the years--it has been > > corrupted by sin. > > No Jason, that's just the spewings of the WTS's GB as we both know. Nothing > about it in the bible. The Adam and Eve story is pure allegory as most > churches now teach. They know there was no Garden of Eden, no forbidden > fruit. No talking donkeys. No sticks turning into snakes. The entire story > is absurd as you would know if you had any background in biology. > > Going by what you said the God created the perfect diseases and parasites > and DNA fragility to kill us and make mammals and birds suffer. It seems > you can't accept that your God, as a creator, was worse than poor at it. Those things came about as a result of sin--we live in a corrupted world. God will eventually make the world into a paradise.
From: Jason on 17 Jul 2010 05:11 In article <i1r7sd$5ba$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" <AD(a)invalid.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-1607101210250001(a)67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > In article <i1pd0n$24s$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" <AD(a)invalid.com> > > wrote: > >> > For fellowship with mankind. > >> > >> But he/she/it doesn't "fellowship" with us. It fellowships, according to > >> the bible, with angels and other heavenly "beings." What it has done in > >> the > >> past is murder human beings by the thousands, not fellowship with them. > >> You > >> need to think a little more before you reply to questions. Or perhaps > >> actually read your bible cover to cover and trash the WTBTS rags and > >> books. > >> :) > > > > > I disagree. There is lots of evidence in the Bible that God has fellowship > > with mankind. > > Oh really? How and where is he being seen and communicated with? What is > he saying these days and to who? And where is the proof or evidence he's > showing up again and talking to people? Having dinner with them, going > places with them, taking vacations with them......... ? I know of no Gods > fellowshipping with man. > > >An example is the relationship God had with prophets, Moses, > > Joseph, John (the writer of the book of Revelations) etc. > > I'm not talking about the Bronze Age. I'm talking about now. We live NOW, > not thousands of years ago. There are lots of excellent preachers and evangelists. There are also lots of Grandmothers and others. They spend lots of time praying and fellowshipping with God. I am not saying that every preacher, evangelist and Grandmother is involved in fellowship with God--however, some of them do have fellowship with God. In my church, I know several members that spend lots of time in prayer each day. One of the ladies has a prayer list that has about 50 names on it and she prays for everyone of them everyday.
From: Masked Avenger on 17 Jul 2010 06:57 On 17/07/2010 5:10 AM, Jason wrote: > In article<i1pd0n$24s$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno"<AD(a)invalid.com> > wrote: > >> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1507101702370001(a)67-150-126-95.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>> In article<i1o1h3$eib$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno"<AD(a)invalid.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:Jason-1507101421280001(a)66-53-215-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>> In article<SoidnSE-D7YixaLRnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph >>>>> <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> Here we go with the odds again. What are the odds that a god who is >>>>>> involved personally with everything on this paltry earth created the >>>>>> entire universe just for the fun of it. Why, I'll bet that they would >>>>>> be >>>>>> incalculable. >>>>> >>>>> I never stated that God created the entire universe just for the fun of >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> What other reason would a great all powerful and all knowing god have. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> For fellowship with mankind. >> >> But he/she/it doesn't "fellowship" with us. It fellowships, according to >> the bible, with angels and other heavenly "beings." What it has done in the >> past is murder human beings by the thousands, not fellowship with them. You >> need to think a little more before you reply to questions. Or perhaps >> actually read your bible cover to cover and trash the WTBTS rags and books. >> :) > > I disagree. There is lots of evidence in the Bible that God has fellowship > with mankind. An example is the relationship God had with prophets, Moses, > Joseph, John (the writer of the book of Revelations) etc. except the Bible is just a collection of myths and Fairy Tales ...... no more true than Mother Goose .......... proving once again that Jehovahs Witnesses are some of the stupidest people on the planet ....... -- MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity .............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... - A. Einstein Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
From: Anna DeGanno on 17 Jul 2010 08:39 "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1707100211280001(a)67-150-126-151.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <i1r7sd$5ba$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" <AD(a)invalid.com> > wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1607101210250001(a)67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article <i1pd0n$24s$1(a)news.datemas.de>, "Anna DeGanno" >> > <AD(a)invalid.com> >> > wrote: >> >> > For fellowship with mankind. >> >> >> >> But he/she/it doesn't "fellowship" with us. It fellowships, according >> >> to >> >> the bible, with angels and other heavenly "beings." What it has done >> >> in >> >> the >> >> past is murder human beings by the thousands, not fellowship with >> >> them. >> >> You >> >> need to think a little more before you reply to questions. Or perhaps >> >> actually read your bible cover to cover and trash the WTBTS rags and >> >> books. >> >> :) >> > >> >> > I disagree. There is lots of evidence in the Bible that God has >> > fellowship >> > with mankind. >> >> Oh really? How and where is he being seen and communicated with? What >> is >> he saying these days and to who? And where is the proof or evidence he's >> showing up again and talking to people? Having dinner with them, going >> places with them, taking vacations with them......... ? I know of no >> Gods >> fellowshipping with man. >> >> >An example is the relationship God had with prophets, Moses, >> > Joseph, John (the writer of the book of Revelations) etc. >> >> I'm not talking about the Bronze Age. I'm talking about now. We live >> NOW, >> not thousands of years ago. > > There are lots of excellent preachers and evangelists. There are also lots > of Grandmothers and others. They spend lots of time praying and > fellowshipping with God. Praying is not "fellowshipping" as anyone can tell you. There is no one opposite you drinking a cold soda or replying to what you say. There is no discussions. No sharing of thoughts and ideas. No hand to squeeze when they have a problem. No one to take a walk with and talk about the economy or the weather. I am not saying that every preacher, evangelist > and Grandmother is involved in fellowship with God--however, some of them > do have fellowship with God. See above. Praying is not fellowshipping. You and the other JWs who "fellowship" at the KHs don't pray to each other. Members of clubs who fellowship together don't pray to each other. The invisable silent "god" involved isn't likely to pray to his victims/followers. In my church, I know several members that > spend lots of time in prayer each day. One of the ladies has a prayer list > that has about 50 names on it and she prays for everyone of them everyday. Praying to invisible silent magical beings isn't fellowshipping. Can you ever stay on topic?
From: Saint Heretica on 17 Jul 2010 08:45
"Masked Avenger" <cootey59(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:o0g0o.1021$Yv.57(a)viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com... > except the Bible is just a collection of myths and Fairy Tales ...... no > more true than Mother Goose .......... proving once again that Jehovahs > Witnesses are some of the stupidest people on the planet ....... Not all of them are stupid but almost all are very gullible, poorly educated and have lover IQs than most. Research, posted here a few years back, shows that the majority of JWs are mentally ill. The WTS takes advantage of that fact. You have no idea how the WTS manipulates them, brain washes them and uses FEAR and INTIMIDATION to control them. The WTS brags how sheep like they become. Jason is only one of many who have lost all individuality and ability to think for himself. The WTS highly discourages independent thinking. They don't deny it. It would take a professional deprogrammer weeks to free Jason from this cult of book and magazine peddlers. |