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From: SOB) on 31 Mar 2005 16:30 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:14:56 -0500, SunDancer <johnl(a)tcn.met> wrote: >>God would never coerce someone to become evil. >Who designed the cockroach and the rattlesnake? What makes you think that those are evil? -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
From: SOB) on 31 Mar 2005 16:34 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:43 -0600, "echo" <echo(a)otk.cab> wrote: > Was God always God, Yes. >before the beginning of the universe, What makes you think that physical reality began in time? Our particular corner of the Universe might have changed from one environment to another (cf. Brian Greene, op. cit.) but the vast entity in which it is embedded could have existed for all time. In fact, as I argued earlier, the Universe is part of what we call Objective Reality, so it likely has existed along with God for all eternity. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
From: Dan Listermann on 31 Mar 2005 17:06 "Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)" <sob(a)sob.com> wrote in message news:424c69ee.1999725(a)news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:39:53 -0500, "Dan Listermann" > <dan(a)listermann.com> wrote: > >>> However, that does not mean there is not one entity in objective >>> reality who is the cause of Existence. In fact the Supreme Being must >>> exist in order for the Universe to exist. > >>If you don't know the origin of the Universe > > What do you mean by "origin of the Universe"? > > There is more than one possible meaning. Which one is it you are > referring to? Silly. <<<In fact the Supreme Being must >>> exist in order for the Universe to exist. Here support this assumption.
From: bob young on 28 Mar 2005 00:02 George Dance wrote: > The great philosopher-criminologist wrote: > > > What is wrong with saying that God works in Mysterious ways? > > Usually, what's wrong with it is that it's used as an ad hoc hypothesis > to make statements about God unfalsifiable. For example: > > C - "God loves people and is concerned for their welfare." > A - "He does? Then why did he let so many die in the tsunami?" > C - "He has His reasons. You and I wouldn't understand them. But all > the same, He loves people and is concerned for their welfare." > A - "Well, maybe he did have some reason for the tsunami. But he lets > little babies die every day, and there's no reason for that." > C - "Oh, He wouldn't let that happen without a reason, either. Again, > I couldn't possibly try to explain what those reasons are. But all the > same, He loves people and is concerned for their welfare." > > I hope you get the drift - all the evidence that there isn't a god that > loves people and cares for their welfare can be dismissed with the > 'Mysterious Ways' argument; "There's a God that loves people and cares > for their welfare" is saved from being disproved, but at the cost of it > actually meaning or implying anything (as it's being true is compatible > with anything at all happening). > > As I see it, that's the point of the 'Mysterious Ways' argument, and > probably why a version of it is attributed to God Himself in Job 38-40. If god were real he would not have to be mysterious
From: Paul Erickson on 1 Apr 2005 00:48
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:20:40 GMT, sob(a)sob.com (Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)) wrote: >On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:22:24 -0500, "Dan Listermann" ><dan(a)listermann.com> wrote: > >>> And the Supreme Being is credited with causing Existence. > >>Which begs the question > >I have made no assumptions nor have I arrived at any conclusions. >Therefore I have not begged the question. > >>what caused the supreme being, etc? > >Prove that the Supreme Being needs a cause. I can't, myself. Can you prove that _anything needs a cause? Slobbering Skeleton |