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From: SOB) on 1 Apr 2005 06:14 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:48:32 -0600, Paul Erickson <paul.erickson(a)softhome.net> wrote: >Can you prove that _anything needs a cause? Physics tells us that Causality is operative. Don't get fooled into thinking that just because there are some random aspects to quantum mechanics that Causality is not operative. Randomness has nothing to do with Causality in Physics. Anyway, Schrodinger's Equation is deterministic because it uses Unitary operators. Relativity requires Causality because only events inside the Light Cone can be connected. In Metaphysics Causality is needed for there to be Order. If there is no Order in objective reality, there is no Physics or Metaphysics because how would you describe objective reality is there was no way to distinguish objects? You could do like the Platonic Idealists and claim that Order exists in subjective reality but you are not able to prove anything because there is no way to convince anyone that you exist. Without Causality you have a real mess on your hands because there is no Order and therefore no way to explain things in an objective way. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
From: Dan Listermann on 1 Apr 2005 08:25 "Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)" <sob(a)sob.com> wrote in message news:424ca863.17988936(a)news-server.houston.rr.com... > At the outset it is critical that > you adopt the Worldview of Existential Realism or else you won't be > able to understand the discussions about objective reality. Or, stated differently, you must buy into my blathering in order to understand it. . . .
From: Hector Plasmic on 1 Apr 2005 08:50 >>> How about the prediction that the Jews would return to >>> the place of their original homeland? >> They've resettled the Tigris/Euphrates valley? > Is Jerusalem in the valley? You actually think their "original homeland" was in Jerusalem? :-)
From: SOB) on 1 Apr 2005 10:53 On 1 Apr 2005 05:50:14 -0800, "Hector Plasmic" <hec(a)hectorplasmic.com> wrote: >>> They've resettled the Tigris/Euphrates valley? >> Is Jerusalem in the valley? >You actually think their "original homeland" was in Jerusalem? :-) <Geez> -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
From: SOB) on 1 Apr 2005 11:01
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:25:31 -0500, "Dan Listermann" <dan(a)listermann.com> wrote: >> At the outset it is critical that >> you adopt the Worldview of Existential Realism or else you won't be >> able to understand the discussions about objective reality. >Or, stated differently, you must buy into my blathering in order to >understand it. . . . It's the same as buying into your blathering to understand you. I think youmay actually be getting the point. Your claims are no better than the epistemological system you use to support them. It's not what you know that counts - it's how you know it. Epistemology deals with how you know what you claim to know. Metaphysics, Physics and the other Sciences deal with what you know. You can know anything you want to know if you adopt the approriate Worldview. So what ultimately distinguishes the various Worldviews? They are distinguished by the results they produce. The Worldview of Existential Realism is responsible for supporting Physics. Therefore if you want to know about objective reality, you must adopt the Worldview of Existential Realism, or else you am not going to know the truths of objective reality. If on the other hand you want to indulge in fantasy, like atheists do, then you would adopt a Worldview different from Existential Realism. Of course you could not do productive Physics because objective reality has this nasty habit of invalidating fantasy. The most you could hope for is absurd speculation which I could package in a book and foist off on the unsuspecting masses. Or you could participate in Usenet forums and call anyone who does not accept your atheist fantasies a bunch of names, further exposing your ignorance. The choice is yours. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life." |