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From: Dan Listermann on 1 Apr 2005 11:10 "Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)" <sob(a)sob.com> wrote in message news:424d6e6a.5314351(a)news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:25:31 -0500, "Dan Listermann" > <dan(a)listermann.com> wrote: > >>> At the outset it is critical that >>> you adopt the Worldview of Existential Realism or else you won't be >>> able to understand the discussions about objective reality. > >>Or, stated differently, you must buy into my blathering in order to >>understand it. . . . > > It's the same as buying into your blathering to understand you. My "blathering" is that there are things I may never know and I am man enough to be able to admit it instead of making up fantasies to explain them. Pretty simple and easily to understand - only one sentence of "blathering."
From: Hector Plasmic on 1 Apr 2005 11:35 >>>> They've resettled the Tigris/Euphrates valley? >>> Is Jerusalem in the valley? >> You actually think their "original homeland" was in Jerusalem? :-) > <Geez> So much for your precious prophecies, eh, Bobby? :-)
From: Hector Plasmic on 1 Apr 2005 11:44 >>>>> So God does nothing but exist? >>> That's pretty much it. >>... >>> God made the Universe to exist. >> Then this god of yours does something besides exist -- >> it also causes other things to exist. Ergo, it acts, the >> very thing you were trying to avoid. > It is the Act of Existence. Putting Capital Letters Here and There doesn't add to what you're saying. You first claimed that your gods did nothing but exist, then you claimed that they also made everything else exist. These are two different things. We can illustrate this by looking at some lower thing, like yourself: You exist, yet you do not cause me to exist merely by your own existence (solipsism ignored). > Even though it is necessary and eternal, the > Universe nevertheless depends critically on > the Supreme Being for its Existence. Right nice claim you got there, but where's your reason and/or evidence to back it up? Merely repeating the same unsupported claim does not make it more convincing. And it is unconvincing -- you haven't shown us any reason to suppose that the universe depends on your gods for anything at all, or even that your gods exist outside the human imagination. Are you actually going to provide us with some substantive commentary and support on your claims, or are you just a wind-up parrot that's winding down?
From: Hector Plasmic on 1 Apr 2005 11:48 >> before the beginning of the universe, > What makes you think that physical reality began in time? Probably the same time-bound thing that gave you the idea that the universe needed a cause -- because when we look _within_ the universe that's how most things work. Both are, of course, unwarranted assumptions. > In fact, as I argued earlier, the Universe is part of what we call > Objective Reality, so it likely has existed along with God for all > eternity. The universe has existed for all of time, time being part of the universe (in other words, there was never a time when the universe did not exist), but time does not appear to be infinite (into the past, at least), so you appear to be incorrect -- again.
From: SOB) on 1 Apr 2005 11:57
On 1 Apr 2005 08:35:39 -0800, "Hector Plasmic" <hec(a)hectorplasmic.com> wrote: >>> You actually think their "original homeland" was in Jerusalem? :-) >> <Geez> >So much for your precious prophecies, eh, Bobby? :-) You are free to believe or not. I am interested because I see a pattern in Prophesy that seems to relate to today's world. For example, the prophesy about the Mark of the Beast. According to Revelation, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:16-18 (in Context) Revelation 13 (Whole Chapter) --Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, --Revelation 14:8-10 How could someone 2,000 years ago imagine such a thing? It was impossible until modern times to regulate buying and selling to the extent alluded to in the prophesy. But with computers and especially smart chips, it is possible. I am not saying I *believe* this - I am saying that I want to know the possibility so I can keep an eye out. If you reject prophesy outright, then you risk being uninfomed of possibilities that may turn out to be useful to know about. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life." |