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From: Will Twentyman on 31 Mar 2005 15:45 pedro wrote: > Will Twentyman wrote: > > >> The great philosopher-criminologist wrote: >> >>> What is wrong with saying that God works in Mysterious ways? >> >> >> >> Ok, I'll answer from the theist perspective. >> >> 1) It's not an argument. > > It's a form of argument- a postulation. No? Usually this appears towards the end of an argument. As a postulate, it makes no form of claim that is useful. Better to say "God knows things that we don't, so with better knowledge and different goals from our own, we are not in a position to understand it until we can question God directly." This is what is probably meant. On the other hand, "God works in mysterious ways" could just as easily mean "God rolled a critical failure on the dice and didn't tell us." It doesn't have meaningful content. >> 2) It really means "I don't know", but doesn't offer to try to find >> out possible answers. >> 3) It costs you credibility in any discussion with >> agnostics/atheists/those who don't believe in God as you do. > > > > -- Will Twentyman email: wtwentyman at copper dot net
From: SOB) on 31 Mar 2005 16:23 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:39:53 -0500, "Dan Listermann" <dan(a)listermann.com> wrote: >> However, that does not mean there is not one entity in objective >> reality who is the cause of Existence. In fact the Supreme Being must >> exist in order for the Universe to exist. >If you don't know the origin of the Universe What do you mean by "origin of the Universe"? There is more than one possible meaning. Which one is it you are referring to? -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
From: SOB) on 31 Mar 2005 16:25 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:56:52 -0500, SunDancer <johnl(a)tcn.met> wrote: >>This line of thinking solves the dilemna of Free Will. You can make >>decisions that even God does not know about until you make them. >>Therefore it is useless to blame God for your mistakes or accidents of >>nature, like floods. >But God can blame us for mistakes we had nothing to do with, i.e. >"original sin"? That is a religious assertion. We are not discussing religion here. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
From: SOB) on 31 Mar 2005 16:27 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:28 -0500, SunDancer <johnl(a)tcn.met> wrote: >>I am sure God knows something. After all, as the Supreme Being, He is >>the cause of Existence. >How did He cause His own existence? His Essence is Existence. He simply exists. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
From: SOB) on 31 Mar 2005 16:30
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:11:59 -0500, SunDancer <johnl(a)tcn.met> wrote: >>How about the prediction of the rise of the New Roman Empire (aka >>"European Union")? How many times in history has that happened? >How about the prediction, by Jesus (God) that he would return before >the generation of people around him died out? That is not a certainty. Christ said only the Father knows. If man screws things up beyond even God's ability to repair them, then it is not worth the effort to come back. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life." |