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From: andy on 6 Apr 2010 16:52 On 6 Apr, 12:42, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT), andy > > <andy.gg...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >Why ask such a stupid question which has been already answered in > >early replies on Martin's thread on the giffgaff forum, and repeatedly > >again on here? > > >1. giffgaff told him the short-code number > > >2. I told him how to contact the number provider, after looking it up > >on the Phonepayplus website > > >3. when he said that was pointless, I phoned them to confirm that they > >would be able to give him details of the service provider, and told > >him that > > And I'm still waiting for a response from 2ergo.  I doubt I'll receive > one. > > giffgaff has already started making up evidence, see > <http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9008/martinjay.jpg>, so it's > probably all pointless. > > Specifically, I was not charged for 'sending' those two text messages > and they were both sent AFTER the premium rate text messages.  Very, > very suspicious. > > Oh, and did anyone else notice that Vincent suddenly disappeared after > being caught out? > > >So there is no need for rhetorical pretence that there is any > >difficulty involved in identifying these services. > > So easy that you and giffgaff initially fingered the wrong service > provider?  From giffgaff: You're being highly deceptive yet again initially .......... part of giffgaff's first response to you, quoted by you in your first post about this in their forum "This look like the customer is subscribed to a text service that charges him £5 a text on return for a service. The short code is 82023 which the customer should text the word STOP if he so wishes. " and from my first reply on the thread: "Thus is the company you need to pursue 2 Ergo Ltd 4th Floor, Digital World Centre 1 Lowry Plaza, The Quays Salford M50 3UB 0844 579 6370 customer.services(a)2ergo.com as found at http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/output/check-a-numbâer.aspx" Yes, giffgaff later made the mistake of finding PlanetCalling via internet searches, perhaps as they probably can't analyse the message for data protection reasons. You didn't actually say you'd contacted 2ergo until at least 2 weeks later, and until then made a point of repeatedly refusing to do so. Apparently the advice to contact 2ergo, which I gave, and said Phonepayplus would also give, has been born out as useful and is working, according to your other recent posts So perhaps you'd at last quit these graceless personal attacks, lying about the help and advice I tried to give
From: Martin Jay on 11 Apr 2010 08:04 On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:23:56 -0700 (PDT), andy <andy.ggrps(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >On 6 Apr, 13:53, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: >>I'm still of the opinion that giffgaff should have dealt with this >>problem directly. �I think this case has raised some serious issues >>about the way the whole premium rate SMS system works. �But most of us >>here were already aware of them. :( >Well, your opinion differs from Phonepayplus, who tell you to contact >the provider Fair enough, but I don't have a contract with PhonepayPlus either. As I keep telling you, the contract is between myself and giffgaff. Ask yourself what would have happened if all this had ended up in County Court, not that it would of course. However, one of the first things the court would have asked for is a copy of the contract or agreement between myself and 2ergo. There isn't one. giffgaff incorrectly took money from my account, so I'm pretty sure the court would tell me I need to pursue them. -- Martin Jay Back the Ban: <http://www.backtheban.com/> League Against Cruel Sports: <http://www.league.org.uk/>
From: andy on 11 Apr 2010 08:37 On 11 Apr, 13:04, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:23:56 -0700 (PDT), andy > > <andy.gg...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >On 6 Apr, 13:53, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > >>I'm still of the opinion that giffgaff should have dealt with this > >>problem directly. I think this case has raised some serious issues > >>about the way the whole premium rate SMS system works. But most of us > >>here were already aware of them. :( > >Well, your opinion differs from Phonepayplus, who tell you to contact > >the provider > > Fair enough, but I don't have a contract with PhonepayPlus either. > > As I keep telling you, the contract is between myself and giffgaff. > > Ask yourself what would have happened if all this had ended up in > County Court, not that it would of course. However, one of the first > things the court would have asked for is a copy of the contract or > agreement between myself and 2ergo. > > There isn't one. giffgaff incorrectly took money from my account, so > I'm pretty sure the court would tell me I need to pursue them. > -- I'm not asking myself that question I'm asking myself why someone is still wasting time dreaming up new ways to consider how he might react in tenuous hypothetical scenarios that don't exist
From: Martin Jay on 11 Apr 2010 11:13 On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 05:37:11 -0700 (PDT), andy <andy.ggrps(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >I'm asking myself why someone is still wasting time dreaming up new >ways to consider how he might react in tenuous hypothetical scenarios >that don't exist LOL. You wasted a lot of time (and some money) dreaming up a non-existent contract I have with 2ergo and PhonepayPlus, while totally ignoring the real one I have with giffgaff. -- Martin Jay Back the Ban: <http://www.backtheban.com/> League Against Cruel Sports: <http://www.league.org.uk/>
From: alexd on 11 Apr 2010 16:23
On 11/04/10 16:13, Martin Jay wrote: > You wasted a lot of time (and some money) dreaming up a non-existent > contract I have with 2ergo and PhonepayPlus, while totally ignoring > the real one I have with giffgaff. Perhaps you might like to refresh my memory by pointing to a claim by andy that you have a contract with 2ergo? -- <http://ale.cx/> (AIM:troffasky) (UnSoEsNpEaTm(a)ale.cx) 21:21:46 up 2 days, 10:27, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.17, 0.15 It is better to have been wasted and then sober than to never have been wasted at all |