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From: Steve Terry on 27 Mar 2010 21:58 "Brian Gregory [UK]" <ng(a)bgdsv.co.uk> wrote in message news:8e-dnQjxL6XVyzPWnZ2dnUVZ8iednZ2d(a)pipex.net... > "andy" <andy.ggrps(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > news:69e19e9f-da4b-4e4f-ab3d-fa801523d10a(a)j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> On 27 Mar, 12:48, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: >>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:16:05 +0000, Ian Smith >>> >>> <news0807REMOVEC...(a)orrery.e4ward.com> wrote: <snip> > The whole premium text / premium phone line industry is full of nasty > vicious people out to find lop holes and rip you off. > Brian Gregory. (In the UK) > > Aint that the truth Steve Terry -- Get a free Three 3pay Sim with �2 bonus after �10 top up http://freeagent.three.co.uk/stand/view/id/5276
From: andy on 28 Mar 2010 05:18 On 28 Mar, 02:58, "Steve Terry" <gfour...(a)tesco.net> wrote: > "Brian Gregory [UK]" <n...(a)bgdsv.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:8e-dnQjxL6XVyzPWnZ2dnUVZ8iednZ2d(a)pipex.net...> "andy" <andy.gg...(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > >news:69e19e9f-da4b-4e4f-ab3d-fa801523d10a(a)j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > >> On 27 Mar, 12:48, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > >>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:16:05 +0000, Ian Smith > > >>> <news0807REMOVEC...(a)orrery.e4ward.com> wrote: > <snip> > > The whole premium text / premium phone line industry is full of nasty > > vicious people out to find lop holes and rip you off. > > Brian Gregory. (In the UK) > > Aint that the truth > Then instead of self-pitying whining on here, contact the regulators and report the miscreants
From: Brian Gregory [UK] on 28 Mar 2010 08:40 "andy" <andy.ggrps(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:ddfd67bf-74b0-4ca5-a3a2-53df53d7ea2c(a)30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > On 28 Mar, 02:58, "Steve Terry" <gfour...(a)tesco.net> wrote: >> "Brian Gregory [UK]" <n...(a)bgdsv.co.uk> wrote in >> messagenews:8e-dnQjxL6XVyzPWnZ2dnUVZ8iednZ2d(a)pipex.net...> "andy" >> <andy.gg...(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message >> >news:69e19e9f-da4b-4e4f-ab3d-fa801523d10a(a)j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> >> On 27 Mar, 12:48, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:16:05 +0000, Ian Smith >> >> >>> <news0807REMOVEC...(a)orrery.e4ward.com> wrote: >> <snip> >> > The whole premium text / premium phone line industry is full of nasty >> > vicious people out to find lop holes and rip you off. >> > Brian Gregory. (In the UK) >> >> Aint that the truth >> > > Then instead of self-pitying whining on here, contact the regulators > and report the miscreants It hasn't happened to me with premium texts but other when trying to report other phone cons I found the regulators all to ready to say "oh sorry 0871 numbers are not within out remit" or similar. The con men are very good at finding a con that they can get away with. The companies that supply the numbers to the con men are no better and basically don't care beyond telling you the name of the company concerned and giving you another phone number that's going to cost you another fortune to call, phone again and they basically refuse to talk to you again. -- Brian Gregory. (In the UK) ng(a)bgdsv.co.uk To email me remove the letter vee.
From: andy on 28 Mar 2010 09:52 On 28 Mar, 13:32, "Brian Gregory [UK]" <n...(a)bgdsv.co.uk> wrote: > > I don't see how a single text that costs £5 can be anything other than a > con, that they're hoping you won't realize is so expensive until it's too > late. What information can possibly be worth that much to anybody other than > an exceedingly rich person who just doesn't care about money. > All of them by definition anyway, you mean? It depends what it's for. There are services for adding credit to prepaid accounts, such as cheap callthrough accounts for int'l destinations, cheap (from ~1p) text message services, donations to charity such as Sport Relief recently For all of those, it has to be taken into account that after VAT and shares of the revenue to the phone companies hosting them, the provider at the end gets 60 to 70% of the fee, and that is reflected in either the credit added to the subscriber's account or the pro rata charges, so it isn't the most efficient way of adding credit, though charities quite often get the charges waived. And that's what I did to use up credit when easyMobile announced it was closing - transferred to VoIP accounts such as Voipcheap and Justvoip If it's for buying games or ringtones, then people need to read the terms and conditions carefully at the start as some of these send a new one every week or whatever. And then there are apparently spurious ones like the OP is complaining of ...
From: Martin Jay on 28 Mar 2010 13:29
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT), andy <andy.ggrps(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >On 27 Mar, 21:22, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: >>Doesn't the method by which my number was subscribed to the service >>bother you? �How could it happen? >It does bother me, and I've suggested how you can investigate it in >the records at the supplier, and how and where you can report a >complaint if they refuse to help. Clearly it doesn't bother you or giffgaff. However, it bothers me that giffgaff has billed me for a service I didn't request and have no records to back up the charge. It also bothers me that I'm expected to go to a third party I have no contract or relationship with to investigate why, when and what giffgaff, who I do have a contract and relationship with, billed me for. giffgaff clearly has more confidence in the billing system of a third party than they do in their own (presumably O2s). >But if Phonepayplus do take compliance or enforcement or punitive >action, it is against the service providers, not the mobile network Yes, the mobile networks have been very effective at washing their hands of premium rate text message scams. They're quite happy to sign contracts with the scammers and get their hands on part of the booty, but accept no responsibly when anything goes wrong. -- con-con giffgaff: <http://www.spam-free.org.uk/giffgaff/> |