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From: krw on 18 May 2010 21:09 On Tue, 18 May 2010 03:33:44 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 16 May 2010 12:43:32 GMT, nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote: > >>Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>Nico Coesel wrote: >>>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:29:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> IIRC, Jennic has a development kit and modules that are not too >>>>>>>> expensive, like $500 for the dev kit... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmm, no pricing on the site: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.jennic.com/products/modules/jn5148_modules >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But it's just bare modules. When designing I don't really need that and >>>>>>> $500 just for home automation will raise a flag with SWMBO, just like a >>>>>>> $500 handbag would with me :-) >>>>>> Cheapskate! You mean your wife has no Coach purse? >>>>>> >>>>> Nope. We tend to use such monies in more useful ways. For example as a >>>> >>>> OTOH buying a bag helps a few kids in Asia to fill their bellies. >>>> >>> >>>Sending money to an organization where you can be sure that >80% of >>>donations make it to the recipients in the form of food and medication >>>helps a lot more. >> >>IOW: Buy from Dealextreme.com instead of Mediamarkt, Wallmart, Fry's, >>etc, etc. >> >>I don't know any organization that helps people efficiently. Over here >>the anual door-to-door collection result is barely enough to pay the >>director's salary. > >Director's salary ?????????? Big as the Red Cross are they? That's when we stopped giving to the Red Cross, when we found out that Liz Dole was pulling down $.5M. ...and forget the United Way; 100% waste.
From: krw on 18 May 2010 21:10 On Tue, 18 May 2010 08:36:36 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >JosephKK wrote: >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:06:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Nico Coesel wrote: >>>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:29:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> IIRC, Jennic has a development kit and modules that are not too >>>>>>>> expensive, like $500 for the dev kit... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmm, no pricing on the site: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.jennic.com/products/modules/jn5148_modules >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But it's just bare modules. When designing I don't really need that and >>>>>>> $500 just for home automation will raise a flag with SWMBO, just like a >>>>>>> $500 handbag would with me :-) >>>>>> Cheapskate! You mean your wife has no Coach purse? >>>>>> >>>>> Nope. We tend to use such monies in more useful ways. For example as a >>>> OTOH buying a bag helps a few kids in Asia to fill their bellies. >>>> >>> Sending money to an organization where you can be sure that >80% of >>> donations make it to the recipients in the form of food and medication >>> helps a lot more. >> >> I am a bit torn at that level. Propping up overpopulation (more than the >> relevant economy can provide for) strikes me as an error, and poor >> ethics. > > >Sure, but you can't let the kids starve. We cannot punish them for the >mistakes their parents and their countries made. That's what makes it tough. The kids will be the next adults with nothing solved.
From: Joerg on 18 May 2010 21:20 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: [...] >>>> The li'l 12V LAN drive I have is 500GB. They also have 1TB, 2TB and 4TB >>>> versions at similar economic power intake but I don't need this much and >>>> thus didn't want to spend the extra dough for something I'll never need. >>> >>> You're comparing apples & oranges. You have NAS, not a server. >>> >> What difference does it make in daily life? (other than that mine is >> much more economical). > > > All you have is a hard drive with an ethernet port. It's not a > server. It can't take care of E-mail, newsgroups, FTP or host a > website. It is barely a glorified 'USB memory stick' with a power cord. > You can't plug a monitor or keyboard into it. There are hundreds of > things it won't do. You can't drop in a sound card and use it to stream > background music, or operate a mailing list. You can't run MFP > software, or a database of customers, or a membership list for a non > profit group. > My solution to that is very simple: I pay a company $80/year. For that they keep my domain name registered and provide web/email/FTP and whatever other service, 90% of which I never need or don't even know what they are. All the rest is handled by this here PC and laptops. I was never a fan of centralized "do it all" servers but prefer things decentralized. If the server goes down your stuff stops and you must fix it. When a PC coaked here a while ago I just hopped onto another one and continued, then fixed the one with a broken HD when I got around to it. > It isn't economical if it can't do what I need it to. Look at > Apache, Joomla and other software needed for a modern server. Add > Leafnode for a personal NNTP server and you can trap almost every speck > of Spam. You can't do any of that with just an external hard drive with > a crippled Linux install. > What would I need that stuff for anyhow? [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 18 May 2010 22:44 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> Joerg wrote: > > [...] > > >>>> The li'l 12V LAN drive I have is 500GB. They also have 1TB, 2TB and 4TB > >>>> versions at similar economic power intake but I don't need this much and > >>>> thus didn't want to spend the extra dough for something I'll never need. > >>> > >>> You're comparing apples & oranges. You have NAS, not a server. > >>> > >> What difference does it make in daily life? (other than that mine is > >> much more economical). > > > > > > All you have is a hard drive with an ethernet port. It's not a > > server. It can't take care of E-mail, newsgroups, FTP or host a > > website. It is barely a glorified 'USB memory stick' with a power cord. > > You can't plug a monitor or keyboard into it. There are hundreds of > > things it won't do. You can't drop in a sound card and use it to stream > > background music, or operate a mailing list. You can't run MFP > > software, or a database of customers, or a membership list for a non > > profit group. > > > > My solution to that is very simple: I pay a company $80/year. For that > they keep my domain name registered and provide web/email/FTP and > whatever other service, 90% of which I never need or don't even know > what they are. All the rest is handled by this here PC and laptops. Simplify all you want, but you still haven't proved that a server is an energy hog. > I was never a fan of centralized "do it all" servers but prefer things > decentralized. If the server goes down your stuff stops and you must fix > it. When a PC coaked here a while ago I just hopped onto another one and > continued, then fixed the one with a broken HD when I got around to it. > > > It isn't economical if it can't do what I need it to. Look at > > Apache, Joomla and other software needed for a modern server. Add > > Leafnode for a personal NNTP server and you can trap almost every speck > > of Spam. You can't do any of that with just an external hard drive with > > a crippled Linux install. > > > > What would I need that stuff for anyhow? I didn't say that you needed it, or even understand it. What you have is the same as someone trying to use an 'Etch-A-Sketch to do CAD work. It is absolutely useless for my needs. No mater how much hand waving or bragging you do, you're using a 500 GB drive to back up your work files. It may be low power, but don't depend on it for long term use or you may lose a lot of important data. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Joerg on 19 May 2010 09:27
Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>> Joerg wrote: >> [...] >> >>>>>> The li'l 12V LAN drive I have is 500GB. They also have 1TB, 2TB and 4TB >>>>>> versions at similar economic power intake but I don't need this much and >>>>>> thus didn't want to spend the extra dough for something I'll never need. >>>>> You're comparing apples & oranges. You have NAS, not a server. >>>>> >>>> What difference does it make in daily life? (other than that mine is >>>> much more economical). >>> >>> All you have is a hard drive with an ethernet port. It's not a >>> server. It can't take care of E-mail, newsgroups, FTP or host a >>> website. It is barely a glorified 'USB memory stick' with a power cord. >>> You can't plug a monitor or keyboard into it. There are hundreds of >>> things it won't do. You can't drop in a sound card and use it to stream >>> background music, or operate a mailing list. You can't run MFP >>> software, or a database of customers, or a membership list for a non >>> profit group. >>> >> My solution to that is very simple: I pay a company $80/year. For that >> they keep my domain name registered and provide web/email/FTP and >> whatever other service, 90% of which I never need or don't even know >> what they are. All the rest is handled by this here PC and laptops. > > > Simplify all you want, but you still haven't proved that a server is > an energy hog. > Lots of people have already done that, just look on the Interne. Like him: http://mvolo.com/blogs/serverside/archive/2009/02/01/Analyzing-server-power-consumption-and-costs.aspx Even the EPA has taken on the issue and there are reasons why "modern" servers with EPA rating still come with a 460W supply: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475-3884319.html So, there. > >> I was never a fan of centralized "do it all" servers but prefer things >> decentralized. If the server goes down your stuff stops and you must fix >> it. When a PC coaked here a while ago I just hopped onto another one and >> continued, then fixed the one with a broken HD when I got around to it. >> >>> It isn't economical if it can't do what I need it to. Look at >>> Apache, Joomla and other software needed for a modern server. Add >>> Leafnode for a personal NNTP server and you can trap almost every speck >>> of Spam. You can't do any of that with just an external hard drive with >>> a crippled Linux install. >>> >> What would I need that stuff for anyhow? > > > I didn't say that you needed it, or even understand it. What you > have is the same as someone trying to use an 'Etch-A-Sketch to do CAD > work. It is absolutely useless for my needs. No mater how much hand > waving or bragging you do, you're using a 500 GB drive to back up your > work files. It may be low power, but don't depend on it for long term > use or you may lose a lot of important data. > Hint: It ain't the drive that stuff gets backed up to, it's used for collaboration. If it fails that is merely a minor inconvenience. And why exactly should this be less dependable than a power-hog type server? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. |