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From: Michael A. Terrell on 22 Apr 2010 22:28 VWWall wrote: > > RogerN wrote: > > "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > > news:MPG.262a7dfeef7673519897b1(a)209.197.12.12... > >> In article <ZbmdnWME1sye4V3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > >> regor(a)midwest.net says... > >>> What day was the sun an moon created? How could the relationship of the > >>> sun > >>> and earth be used as a measure of a day before the sun was created? > >>> > >> Once a time reference is known, it can be used to describe time before > >> the time reference existed. > >> > >> If God told people how long he did this and that, then he has to use > >> terms that goat herders will understand. > >> Goat herders understand sunsets and sunrises. > >> > >> To illustrate (God/person interview) > >> How long did it take you to make the sun and the moon? > >> God: Instantly you silly human..I"m all powerful God! Powerful enough to > >> get things done instantly! > >> > >> Ooops...Wrong God.. > >> > >> How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? > >> God: 8797997.980808078796979790797 Fentars or the half life of Baltarium > >> > >> Ooops.. Wrong God again.. > >> > >> > >> How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? > >> God: 1487 cycles of an earth water clock with the following construction > >> (Insert holographic blueprint.) > >> > >> Ooops.. Wrong God again. > >> > >> How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? > >> God: YOu got a word yet for billions of years or a word that means an > >> extremely long time or at the very least an unimpressive meaningless > >> word that means an arbitrary amount of time? > >> 'We don't think that big. We just count goats, slaves and sunrises. But > >> we can probably make up a word for a meaningless amount of time.' > >> > >> The 24hr 'day' time reference is only meaningless when the time > >> reference is NEVER revealed. > >> > >> Even if true, the bible is ridiculous in being interpreted differently > >> by 38000 Christian denominations. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> D from BC > >> British Columbia > > > > I believe God could have made everything in 6 days of 24 hours each day, > > complete with billions of years of history from the day it was made. The > > reason I don't think it happened that way is because I don't believe God put > > the history there just to deceive people. The Genesis account clearly says > > evening and morning and the day it was. Do you think God was standing on > > Earth when he created it? The Genesis account also clearly says the time > > for a day wasn't established until the 4th day. So, if God had evening and > > morning on the days before he created the sun and moon, then how did he have > > evening and morning? Cleary not necessarily by the time set by the sun to > > earth that didn't even occur until the 4th day. > > > > Perhaps this bothers you because it agrees with both science and the Bible? > > > God had it easy! He didn't have to make the universe backward compatible. No design review board. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: RogerN on 22 Apr 2010 22:58 "Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message news:dtovs5tomhjhbeqvvv8bnofjfm3tncnn9b(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:42:30 -0700, D from BC > <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: > >>In article <GPmdnWflYYOV_lPWnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >>regor(a)midwest.net says... >>> It's not a national Christian prayer day, it's national prayer day. It >>> wasn't considered unconstitutional in 1975, or when Washington called >>> for it >>> in 1795, or any other time in the history of the United States until >>> some >>> libtarded woman judge decided it was unconstitutional in 2010. What >>> does it >>> mean that the same founding father that penned the very words >>> "separation of >>> church and state" attended church services in a government building, >>> gave >>> money to missionaries, and had a military band play in the church >>> service? >>> It means that libtards are changing the meaning to mean what it never >>> meant. >>> The constitutional words are missing, separation of church and state >>> isn't >>> in the constitution. Libtards have taken the words that congress shall >>> make >> >>'The Free Exercise Clause is the accompanying clause with the >>Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States >>Constitution. The Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause >>together read:' >>'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or >>prohibiting the free exercise thereof...' >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause_of_the_First_Amendment >> >>Making a law that respects an establishment of religion means there >>won't be silly laws like fining/jailing guys with an illegal >>uncircumcision. >>Nor will congress make silly laws such as prohibiting grotesque figures >>of a dead guy on a cross. > > None of this matters to Roger. Worse, so far as I can tell, > he's actually ignorant and doesn't care to change any of > that. He hasn't read the decision, but feels totally free to > name-call and label people "libtards" (as well as the judge, > too.) This is exactly what happened when the 1952 law was > first passed, as well. People were labeled communist, anti- > American, and so on if they didn't get in line and support > the bill. > > Billy Graham gave a speech in Washington DC and said he > wanted "the leaders of our country today kneeling before the > Almighty God in prayer." Percy Priest, the next day, > introduced the bill into the House. In Congress, opposition > to the bill was quite literally (not just by inference, but > explicitly with words saying so) equated with being a > communist and anti-American. > > We all know about that particular sad period of McCarthyism > in our history. > > I gather Roger feels perfectly good, though. He doesn't seem > to care about outsiders of his religion. Has no empathy for > them. Hates them, I think. He is unable to follow Jesus' > admonishment, as well, about hating. He is very much like > Billy Graham in many ways, I grow to imagine now. > > Which reminds me of a true story that happened to my wife. > > Bill Graham is a man I will remember till the day I die. My > wife is a Christian (yes, that's a fact) and yet she was > almost killed in Chicago because of Billy Graham. She was > opposed to the Vietnam War and that was a crime in Billy's > eyes. > > She and a few others came to one of Billy's rallies wearing > t-shirts that spoke their opposition to the war -- a belief > born of their Christian love and beliefs. There was a cruel > moment early on in his sermon when Billy turned to the > several thousand in front of him and said, "There are some > people here who may cause trouble." He then looked squarely > at this tiny group of about ten people wearing t-shirts > against the war, and added, "When the time comes, we know > what to do." > > She tells me they had no idea they were causing trouble being > there. They were expressing their political beliefs with > these t-shirts and at the same time they were also expressing > their religious beliefs by being there and listening. But > they didn't plan on being noticed that much -- about like > what you might expect if you went to a fair with a political > t-shirt, perhaps. Certainly, they didn't expect his personal > and public attention to them. > > The sermon was about blood and the bible. A long, long > discussion about blood and blood and blood. She and her > friends grew increasingly frightened as the sermon wore on. > When the sermon was over, and people started to leave, the > crowd immediately (right outside the gates) turned on them > and a number of them were beaten up and very seriously > injured. > > He knew exactly what he was asking for. > > It will NOT be forgotten. Personally I think you ought to tell that story to the Freedom from religion foundation and everyone else, I'm sure they'd love to run with it. Once you told me that there is absolutely no persecution of Christians in American but your wife was beaten up for Christian beliefs. But do you equate prayer with beating? Is a nativity scene likely to do bodily harm to anyone? Do the ten commandments cause harm? If you don't believe in them, why can't you just ignore them. I don't care for country songs about going to the honky tonk and cheating on your wife, I just don't listen to them, I don't try to have them censored or declared unconstitutional. > In any case, Roger is acting in ways that provide much of > what we need to understand about why the establishment clause > exists. Harsh name-calling, harsh and vile judgments, > denigration of others, etc. It's why that clause was in the > FIRST amendment. It was that important. Luckily, folks then > were smart enough to figure this issue out well enough to > know how to design something to help us live together I don't consider "libtard" to be harsh name calling. To me it's simply liberal nonsense. The president calling for prayer happened by George Washington in 1795 and up till last week wasn't declared to be unconstitutional. If Atheists want to overrun the country and send it to hell in a handbasket, go right ahead, that's what's happening. > As the judge mentions in her decision, which I still assume > Roger hasn't read and will never read, in Sep. 1774, John Jay > and John Rutledge (both of whom would one day become Chief > Justices of the Supreme Court) objected to the idea of > opening sessions with prayer on the grounds that the Congress > was "so divided in religious Sentiments that we could not > join in the same Act of Worship." I don't think anyone expects all the people in the USA to come together and agree to one single prayer. Groups or individuals can pray as they believe, or not pray as they don't believe. If you don't agree with the national day of prayer it doesn't seem at all difficult to ignore. > As I've cited before, in 1785 when the interim Continental > Congress was desperately struggling with the details of > surveying the land they'd won in the war with Britain and > trying to determine how land in townships would be used. The > proposal to require one square mile for religious purposes, > in addition to one square mile for educational purposes, was > unable to pass. Not enough of the members wanted the > religious entanglements and that part of the bill had to be > removed before it could be passed. > > The National Day of Prayer is a symbol of division, not unity > (see the May 12th, 2007 editorial in Albany Times Union, by > Matt Cherry, titled, "Using day of prayer to divide us," for > more on that point. There is no valid secular purpose, it is > nothing short of lending government support to religion, it > is divisive, it splits us up instead of bringing us together, > it causes people to be called communists, anti-American, or > worse, and is everything that is wrong about mixing up > religion and state. > > The judge showed courage and wisdom and intelligence in the > decision she wrote. Roger should at least read it before > spouting off. Yes she did, but why is something declared unconstitutional in 2010 that has been around for so many years? Why would a judge rule against the majority and for a minority of a minority hate group? I can connect an oscilloscope probe to a piece of ungrounded wire and claim it's a 60hz oscillator and the scope signal would make it look like it was actually was so. But then connect that pesky ground wire and it flatlines. The judgement looks wise and intelligent but is not properly grounded, it's grounded in fiction. > I don't expect him to agree and I wouldn't want him to, in > fact. But there is no point debating with an uneducated > viewpoint where he won't even listen to other points of view > and consider them and deal with them, fairly. If he doesn't > show the least willingness to do that much, why should he > expect others to listen to his points made without education > or knowledge or information -- nothing other than visceral > bone-jarring emotional responses is NOT the way to respect > others or learn about their points of view so that they can > be addressed. > > Let him first read the decision. Until then, there is > nothing to say to him about this decision and his violent, > cruel, ignorant name-calling. It's just a child ranting and > being stupidly stubborn about being uninformed and uncaring > about others, besides. > > Jon The president calling for a day of prayer hasn't been determined to be unconstitutional throughout the entire life of this country through March 2010, but in April 2010 it was declared unconstitutional. Why not for over 200 years and why so this year? Is it not that over the years God's enemies have eroded the "establishment of religion" into "separation of church and state"? Reasons I disagree with the Judge 1 The national day of prayer doesn't establish a religion, if it did that would be unconstitutional. 2 It does not force or even try to force anyone to pray. 3 It does no harm to those who don't want to pray. 4 The opposition to it is a hate group that is intolerant of only Christianity. 5 It has not been considered unconstitutional until 2010, after many decisions that redefine and erode our constitution to mean what it never meant. RogerN
From: D from BC on 22 Apr 2010 23:59 In article <16idnYKOC-J9kUzWnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > The president calling for a day of prayer hasn't been determined to be > unconstitutional throughout the entire life of this country through March > 2010, but in April 2010 it was declared unconstitutional. Why not for over > 200 years and why so this year? Is it not that over the years God's enemies > have eroded the "establishment of religion" into "separation of church and > state"? > > Reasons I disagree with the Judge > 1 The national day of prayer doesn't establish a religion, if it did that > would be unconstitutional. > 2 It does not force or even try to force anyone to pray. > 3 It does no harm to those who don't want to pray. When someone doesn't pray. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npqbgBHYSKk For her story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTRDRP2n4Sk&NR=1 > 4 The opposition to it is a hate group that is intolerant of only > Christianity. > 5 It has not been considered unconstitutional until 2010, after many > decisions that redefine and erode our constitution to mean what it never > meant. > > RogerN > > -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 23 Apr 2010 03:56 In article <oJqdnSy0naKtF1TWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > Maybe these were people that were brought up Catholic or protestant but > didn't really have a relationship with God themselves. Anyway, if some 80% > to 90% of the population come from Catholic or protestant families, then the > prisons are likely to be filled with the majority claiming to be Catholic or > protestant, but actually they are Atheists from a Catholic or protestant > families. > > RogerN > Are you saying that that approx 2 million US prison inmates are mostly atheists or phony Christians? Christian engineers are ridiculous in that a reason to be good is to get the afterlife. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 21 Apr 2010 03:45
In article <GPmdnWflYYOV_lPWnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > > It's not a national Christian prayer day, it's national prayer day. It The majority of the US is Christian. It's a Christian trojan due to national prayer day serving the majority. To test that national prayer day is aimed at the Christian majority, compare with these proposed national days: National Koan Day National Yoga Day National Meditation Day National Skeptic Day None of these days will appeal to the majority which is Christian. National prayer day is virtually a Christian prayer day. Since praying doesn't result in any supernatural results (especially for zero probability events) then why not other magic thinking days... National Rain Dance Day National Voodoo Doll Day National Sacrifice Day National Magic Thinking Day How about something closer to reality.. National Plan Your Life Day National You Can Do It Day National Enjoy Life Day National Be Kinder to Others Day And for sometime after Christmas.. National Regifting Day. Why pray anyways.. God is watching you and can easily figure out what you want. God knows what you'd pray even if you're on life support and comatose with a huge brain tumor. -- D from BC British Columbia |