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From: Jon Kirwan on 16 Apr 2010 02:44 On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:29:18 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <ed8bs556c59ch2e2dntcfmqhf78j6i0i7a(a)4ax.com>, >jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >A father lets his only son do 'suicide by cop'. >> >> --- >> Nope. >> >> "Suicide by cop" involves physically threatening authority with the >> capability of using deadly force in order to be killed. >> >> Notice that Pilate found Jesus innocent of any capital offense and after >> handing him over to the mob for political reasons, symbolically washed >> his hands of the whole affair. >> --- >> > > 'Suicide by cop' is a better fit than suicide. 1st. Jesus > threatened the leaders of the current faith with another > faith. 2nd. Jesus was jumping around those people with a big > target on his back. It's the same as jumping in front of > cops until you get shot. > <snip> Yes, John F. was just having fun being difficult or else simply so confused by scripture details that he couldn't follow your point. The "mob" wasn't exactly a mob, but members from a local religious/civil authority group that was empowered to make some local decisions within the framework of an external executive that commanded coercive occupation forces. Even the scriptures, as translated to English here and there, are explicit on that point so it cannot be easily denied. Assuming you take the scripture at its face, itself not a very safe thing to do. Perhaps in this case it is supported broadly so long as we don't assume that there actually was such a specific case that presented itself at the times and places believed by many Christians, today. For example, nothing at all is known about Pilate before or after his appointment as Judean procurator. Nada, zippo. And the only information we do have is from two works by the Josephus, a member of both the Jewish priestly and royalty classes of the day, from 75AD-95AD (around the same time when Matthew and Luke were also written by Jewish priestly-class members, by the way) and Tacitus, around 120AD or so, who was a senator and an historian at Rome. But for arguments' sake, who cares? Go with it. The rest of the gospels make it pretty clear also that Jesus was muscling himself into 'power territory' that was felt owned by local religious/civil system. The whole local Hebrew governance system was a church-state device from the bottom up -- a system where the religious hierarchy (the priestly class) provided cover to justify the power wielded by the civil hierarchy (the royal class) and royalty then protected and supported the priests in compensating return. Christian scripture doesn't waffle on the point, either. Eating (corn) on the Sabbath which was only legal for priests to do (of course.) Healing folks on the Sabbath right in the middle of a synagogue? Etc. It goes on and on about it. So there is no question about flaunting the local power setup there, taking scripture on its face. You were just rattling off a long litany, though. So I don't know why John F. even bothered. Jon
From: D from BC on 16 Apr 2010 03:03 In article <k8ufs5pflbjmule4vv70tfs0pucgqu6l8p(a)4ax.com>, jonk(a)infinitefactors.org says... > > You were just rattling off a long litany, though. So I don't > know why John F. even bothered. > > Jon > Only the purple God knows. (Christian denomination 38001)
From: D from BC on 16 Apr 2010 03:51 In article <odedncc__cXiT1rWnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > But yet many more have been killed due to Atheism, what's the ratio, more > than 50:1? > > You are ridiculous to claim death caused by God when there have been so many > more deaths caused by Atheism. > > RogerN > > It's God's decision to make so many Atheists. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: John Fields on 16 Apr 2010 11:01 On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:51:29 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <odedncc__cXiT1rWnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >regor(a)midwest.net says... >> But yet many more have been killed due to Atheism, what's the ratio, more >> than 50:1? >> >> You are ridiculous to claim death caused by God when there have been so many >> more deaths caused by Atheism. >> >> RogerN >> >> > > >It's God's decision to make so many Atheists. --- God's decision was to give us free will, so the decision whether or not to deny the existence of God is ours. JF
From: John Fields on 16 Apr 2010 20:13
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:29:18 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <ed8bs556c59ch2e2dntcfmqhf78j6i0i7a(a)4ax.com>, >jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >A father lets his only son do 'suicide by cop'. >> >> --- >> Nope. >> >> "Suicide by cop" involves physically threatening authority with the >> capability of using deadly force in order to be killed. >> >> Notice that Pilate found Jesus innocent of any capital offense and after >> handing him over to the mob for political reasons, symbolically washed >> his hands of the whole affair. >> --- >> > >'Suicide by cop' is a better fit than suicide. >1st. Jesus threatened the leaders of the current faith with another >faith. >2nd. Jesus was jumping around those people with a big target on his >back. >It's the same as jumping in front of cops until you get shot. > >Even if not suicide, God uses 'death as a solution' (Jesus made dead) >which sets a poor example for the respect of human life. --- On the contrary, as I see it, God's decision to have Jesus die was based on allowing humans to exalt themselves by dumping their sins, starting anew with clean slates again and again, and eventually learning to live without sin, just by asking for forgiveness of their sins and having the faith to believe that they'd be forgiven because someone who claimed to have the power to do that, by dying, would. I don't know whether you can understand the premise, but Jesus' allowing himself to be cruelly tortured and ultimately killed, when he could have, at any time, stopped the game, was the collateral, so to speak, which guaranteed that. I mean, why else would a smart, kickass, 30 year old guy put himself in harm's way with no hope of recompense unless his aims were altruistic? For a clue, read his teachings, then try to refute them in a way which would make this world a better place for us live, according to you. --- >God's disrespect for life is amplified when God doesn't use the >superpower to create non-death solutions. --- God created life, so what he does with it is his own business. Ever write code, grasshopper? --- >Christian engineers are ridiculous in praising an all powerful God not >all powerful in non-death solutions. --- Atheists like you are ridiculous in believing that God won't give you a hand if you'd only ask for it, but then when you don't, and your project fails, you blame God since he wasn't asked for help. JF |