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From: D from BC on 25 Apr 2010 00:13 In article <mtOdnYAbK4_GdE_WnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > But from your perspective death is the end, from God's perspective death is > no more serious than a runny nose. What is the ratio of someone living 5 > days compared to infinity versus 100 years compared to infinity? > > RogerN > That idea devalues earth life and increases the value of the afterlife. That might encourage Christians to just wait/long or look forward to dying due to be being momentarily inconvenienced on earth by God. It's a twist on the zombie idea.. Zombies are the walking dead. Christians are the walking wannabe dead. Wannabe dead cause the afterlife is sooooo wonderful.. You can have an afterlife after every minute. After every minute is your afterlife. After a minute,...you get the wonderful thing of ..another minute!
From: RogerN on 25 Apr 2010 08:32 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.263d4a38d842f5039897f9(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <svq5t5d3sfde5oltdng81rnks2cv44258s(a)4ax.com>, > jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >If a person has to be stared at by the medical staff ..especially while >> >pumping blood all over the floor .. and nothing happens until the 'ASK' >> >happens then it's class discrimination. >> >> --- >> That smells like a red herring to me, since my reply addressed your >> statement that: >> >> "Most people wish/want/need their illness or injury to be treated. >> Needing to ask for medical attention implies class discrimination." >> >> Which is ludicrous on its face, as I politely pointed out, and has >> nothing to do with emergency medical treatment. >> --- >> > > It is a comparison of someone spurting blood in front of God compared to > someone spurting blood in front of a doctor. > > God does class discrimination. > The 2 classes that God does class discrimination are: > 1) Those that pray/ask God for help. > 2) Those that don't pray/don't ask God for help. > > Doctors do not do class discrimination. > The 2 classes that Doctors do not do class discrimination are: > 1) Those that pray/ask the doctor for help. > 2) Those that don't pray/(don't ask) the doctor for help. > > For class 2 a person may not be in any condition to pray/ask for help > due to hypovolemic shock. Yet God will still need that prayer otherwise > God does the evil thing of doing nothing. > It's praying to prevent Gods evil inaction. > > Praying/asking is nonessential when someone ethical is helping. > (Hippocratic oath). > It is unethical if praying/asking is mandatory for help. > (God's ridiculous requirements with no reason.) > > Christian engineers are ridiculous to do essential/mandatory praying > otherwise God does evil by doing nothing. > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia A friend at work has a buddy that is a doctor that lives a few hours drive from here. He visited his doctor buddy and they went to a football game (Dallas vs. Kansas City IIRC). Anyway, something happened where someone was injured, choking, or something like that, not life and death but could use a doctor. My friend kept looking at his buddy the doctor wondering if he was going to help, he didn't. My friend later inquired as to why the Doctor didn't help the person in need, he couldn't because of insurance and laws. If he helped, being a doctor, he could be sued. As far as the rest of the issues, why does the person need a miracle or need God? If they didn't take care of the body God gave them, why should he fix it without their asking? If someone gets ran over crossing a street, did God tell them to cross the street? Were they crossing the street on a missionary journey? God made his own decisions, didn't ask for advise from you or me, being all knowing he was probably better qualified than we are. One thing you seem to overlook is that God's kingdom is Heaven, not Earth. As far as I know there are no sicknesses, diseases, or disabilities in Heaven and I haven't heard of anyone needing prayer in Heaven. Perhaps you think life on earth is supposed to be Heaven? RogerN
From: John Fields on 25 Apr 2010 17:43 On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:35:05 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <svq5t5d3sfde5oltdng81rnks2cv44258s(a)4ax.com>, >jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >If a person has to be stared at by the medical staff ..especially while >> >pumping blood all over the floor .. and nothing happens until the 'ASK' >> >happens then it's class discrimination. >> >> --- >> That smells like a red herring to me, since my reply addressed your >> statement that: >> >> "Most people wish/want/need their illness or injury to be treated. >> Needing to ask for medical attention implies class discrimination." >> >> Which is ludicrous on its face, as I politely pointed out, and has >> nothing to do with emergency medical treatment. >> --- >> > >It is a comparison of someone spurting blood in front of God compared to >someone spurting blood in front of a doctor. > >God does class discrimination. >The 2 classes that God does class discrimination are: >1) Those that pray/ask God for help. >2) Those that don't pray/don't ask God for help. > >Doctors do not do class discrimination. >The 2 classes that Doctors do not do class discrimination are: >1) Those that pray/ask the doctor for help. >2) Those that don't pray/(don't ask) the doctor for help. > >For class 2 a person may not be in any condition to pray/ask for help >due to hypovolemic shock. Yet God will still need that prayer otherwise >God does the evil thing of doing nothing. >It's praying to prevent Gods evil inaction. > >Praying/asking is nonessential when someone ethical is helping. >(Hippocratic oath). >It is unethical if praying/asking is mandatory for help. >(God's ridiculous requirements with no reason.) --- The thing that you don't seem to be able to get through your head is that God isn't human, and doesn't have to play using the rules that we do, regardless of how much it upsets you. --- >Christian engineers are ridiculous to do essential/mandatory praying >otherwise God does evil by doing nothing. --- OK, so you believe that God is evil? JF
From: John Fields on 25 Apr 2010 18:23 On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:35:57 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <svq5t5d3sfde5oltdng81rnks2cv44258s(a)4ax.com>, >jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> Classic 'straw man' fallacy: >> >> You anthropomorphize God and then vilify the image you create for not >> acting in ways of which you approve. > >It doesn't matter if God is quasi-human or totally alien. > >People have reasons to be ethical. >God has no reasons for anything. >Without reasons there is no ethics. >A God free from providing reasons is free of ethics. >A God free of ethics is evil. --- It really pisses you off that God's rules apply to you but your rules don't apply to God, huh? --- >Judge: Why did you murder? >Killer: I have a mystery reason and it's part of a master plan. I can't >tell you. >Judge: Life in prison.. --- Obviously: Judge = you Killer = God How are you going to enforce the sentence? --- >> That makes me think that you're not really an atheist, but that you hate >> God so much for not following your rules you've decided to sublimate > >I also hate leprechauns. --- And miracles? --- >> that hate by talking yourself into believing that God doesn't exist: >> "I mean, how could someone who allows babies to be raped by priests >> exist?" and calling all who believe in God, fools, thereby exalting your >> belief/non-belief set to the point where it can't be argued against. >> >> JF >> > >Christian engineers are ridiculous to pray to God to stop God's evil(or >God's evil agent) when it's obvious to omniscient God that you want the >evil stopped. > >Don't pray..God knows. --- How arrogant. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter by your slave, God, and you don't even want to exhaust yourself by making the conscious effort of asking for it. Yeah, you're a real prize... JF
From: RogerN on 25 Apr 2010 22:52
"D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.263af2936b35c2c79897f4(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <oJqdnSy0naKtF1TWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> Maybe these were people that were brought up Catholic or protestant but >> didn't really have a relationship with God themselves. Anyway, if some >> 80% >> to 90% of the population come from Catholic or protestant families, then >> the >> prisons are likely to be filled with the majority claiming to be Catholic >> or >> protestant, but actually they are Atheists from a Catholic or protestant >> families. >> >> RogerN >> > > Are you saying that that approx 2 million US prison inmates are mostly > atheists or phony Christians? I haven't taken a poll of prisoners but I would say that unless they are in prison for spreading the gospel, like Apostle Paul was often in prison for, then they are not in prison for being a follower of Christ. A Christian is supposed to be a follower of Christ, not someone that went to Sunday School a few times growing up. > Christian engineers are ridiculous in that a reason to be good is to get > the afterlife. > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia Thought perhaps you would want to tell us in what way you see yourself superior to these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science RogerN |