From: RogerN on 21 Apr 2010 19:23 "Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message news:c7pss5l09san1ukr5htv50iogvooc0gv81(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:29:18 -0500, "RogerN" > <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: > >>It's not a national Christian prayer day, it's national prayer day. It >>wasn't considered unconstitutional in 1975, or when Washington called for >>it >>in 1795, or any other time in the history of the United States until some >>libtarded woman judge decided it was unconstitutional in 2010. >><snip> > > Go read the decision before spouting off, ignorantly. > > http://www.wiwd.uscourts.gov/assets/pdf/FFRF_v_Obama_Order.pdf > > Jon The decision is based on a case that stepped over the edge here, and another that stepped over that edge, and another that stepped over that edge... The words "Separation of Church and State" are not in they constitution of the USA, they are, however, in the constitution of the USSR. The law has floated off of the base line, get back to the ground floor, the constitution is against the state establishing religion. So, does the national day of prayer establish Christianity? No, how bout Islam? No, Buddhism? No. A national day of prayer does not establish any religion. There is no requirement to pray, most likely no one will even suggest directly to you that you should pray. The judge simply took the side of a hate group. Go visit the freedom from religion foundation website, anything against Islam? No! Anything against any religion beside Christianity? No! Because they are bunch of cowards that only want to pick on those they believe won't fight back. The majority of the citizens of this country believe in prayer, but we have libtards in charge and the minority rules. Where in the constitution does it say the minority have the right to not be offended? Of the citizens of the USA, a small minority are Atheists, of those atheists, a small minority hate enough to want the national day of prayer taken away. A true Atheist not motivated by hatred would believe prayer to be powerless and shouldn't care that some want to participate in something they view as meaningless. Heck, we have Atheist day 6 days a week and I'm not bothered by it. The national day of prayer doesn't establish a religion and the majority of citizens of this country believe in prayer. Also, the national day of prayer does no harm to those who do not participate in it. So why is it declared unconstitutional? Because libtards have decided that the minority rules and the will of the majority doesn't mater. RogerN
From: RogerN on 21 Apr 2010 19:56 "Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message news:ig2ss551inmdqnvtlbv6cu4rrp2p3pmb0q(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:51:40 -0500, "RogerN" > <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: > >><snip> >>On Earth there are good places to live and bad places to live, some have >>it >>pretty good here on Earth while others are not so fortunate. > > In other words, one cannot tell there are Christians here at > all. When Jesus was around, he was basically preaching to > give away all you own to the poor and follow him. At that > time, there were no Christians at all and the religious > leaders had a great deal of perks (like being able to eat > from the fields on Sunday, for example) and this was a "new > idea." Today, religious leaders still drive around in > expensive, chauffeured cars and live in personal comfort and > wealth, and no one much gives away everything they have to > the poor to follow Jesus. The only difference is that there > is a world full of people calling themselves Christians today > and there were roughly zero back then. Nothing has changed, > though. You can't tell there is any difference at all, for > all the CINOs "Christians in name only" that exist now. > >>Couldn't Hell be similar as far as worse and better areas? > > Couldn't Valhalla be similar as far as worse and better > areas? What about samsara from some Buddhist traditions? > Might they be similar as far as worse and better areas? > > Don't you see this for the sheer argument from ignorance and > projection that it is? > > Jon Sorry, I just figured with all your years of study of the Bible you would have ran across reward and punishment according to deeds. Revelation 20 11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. See the part "according to what he had done"? To me that indicates that people will be punished or rewarded according to what they had done. Also Jesus told in parables that some would receive few lashes and others would receive many lashes. Jesus also said to his disciples that when people abuse them to be of good cheer because great is their reward in Heaven. I didn't explain this because I don't understand how you could have studied the Bible and missed that concept. Did you only study the history of the Bible and never open the book? I'm not trying to be insulting but I'm suprised that you don't seem to know of this or know that the OT saints went to Abraham's bosom in hades. I wrote "I heard" because I heard many times and I don't have the book, chapter, and verse and Strong's concordance handy here to look it up, I figured you already knew it. However if you didn't know that paradise was in Hades I'll look it up for you. RogerN
From: D from BC on 21 Apr 2010 20:23 In article <plqus5d82erhcvjojrbtc70d31qb5a602a(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >Even if true, God is ridiculous by doing nothing. > > --- > Tou have no clue what God is or isn't doing, and it's _you_ who's > ridiculous in expecting God to live up to _your_ expectations. > The bible has God doing lots of things in the bible. Now God does nothing.. That's a strange change. Perhaps it's the presence of HD camcorders and digital cameras and cell phone cameras. There's more evidence that God does nothing compared to evidence that God does something. Prayer doesn't work especially for zero probability events. There's been no recent defiances of physics such burning bushes, parted seas and killing of 1st born. No amputees have had their legs or arms grow back. Christian engineers are ridiculous in naming what's unknown as God. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: Jon Kirwan on 21 Apr 2010 20:38 On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:23:06 -0500, "RogerN" <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: >"Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message >news:c7pss5l09san1ukr5htv50iogvooc0gv81(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:29:18 -0500, "RogerN" >> <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: >> >>>It's not a national Christian prayer day, it's national prayer day. It >>>wasn't considered unconstitutional in 1975, or when Washington called for >>>it >>>in 1795, or any other time in the history of the United States until some >>>libtarded woman judge decided it was unconstitutional in 2010. >>><snip> >> >> Go read the decision before spouting off, ignorantly. >> >> http://www.wiwd.uscourts.gov/assets/pdf/FFRF_v_Obama_Order.pdf >> >> Jon > ><snip> Roger, did you read the decision, or not? If not, we've nothing to discuss. It really bothers me a great deal when you refuse to read even the ONE document you are actually pretending to know better than. Let me know when you have read it, completely. Beginning to end. We can talk then. Not before. Until then, I will consider _ALL_ of your opinions on this topic ignorant ones and not worth discussion time. Read, then talk. Jon
From: D from BC on 21 Apr 2010 21:06
In article <plqus5d82erhcvjojrbtc70d31qb5a602a(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >Slave of the best kind. > > --- > Kind of like a genie in a bottle, where all you have to do is wish for > something, and there it is? > --- > God can still be capricious as usual by doing random acts of kindness on a mass scale such as the sudden elimination of malaria. Babies need not die from malaria. (Is God doing abortion by mosquito?) God should be responsible for the eradication of malaria not atheist Bill Gates. http://www.gatesfoundation.org/topics/pages/malaria.aspx -- D from BC British Columbia |