From: RogerN on

"Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:29:18 -0500, "RogerN"
> <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote:
>
>>It's not a national Christian prayer day, it's national prayer day. It
>>wasn't considered unconstitutional in 1975, or when Washington called for
>>it
>>in 1795, or any other time in the history of the United States until some
>>libtarded woman judge decided it was unconstitutional in 2010.
>><snip>
>
> Go read the decision before spouting off, ignorantly.
>
> http://www.wiwd.uscourts.gov/assets/pdf/FFRF_v_Obama_Order.pdf
>
> Jon

The decision is based on a case that stepped over the edge here, and another
that stepped over that edge, and another that stepped over that edge... The
words "Separation of Church and State" are not in they constitution of the
USA, they are, however, in the constitution of the USSR. The law has
floated off of the base line, get back to the ground floor, the constitution
is against the state establishing religion. So, does the national day of
prayer establish Christianity? No, how bout Islam? No, Buddhism? No. A
national day of prayer does not establish any religion. There is no
requirement to pray, most likely no one will even suggest directly to you
that you should pray.

The judge simply took the side of a hate group. Go visit the freedom from
religion foundation website, anything against Islam? No! Anything against
any religion beside Christianity? No! Because they are bunch of cowards
that only want to pick on those they believe won't fight back. The majority
of the citizens of this country believe in prayer, but we have libtards in
charge and the minority rules. Where in the constitution does it say the
minority have the right to not be offended? Of the citizens of the USA, a
small minority are Atheists, of those atheists, a small minority hate enough
to want the national day of prayer taken away. A true Atheist not motivated
by hatred would believe prayer to be powerless and shouldn't care that some
want to participate in something they view as meaningless. Heck, we have
Atheist day 6 days a week and I'm not bothered by it.

The national day of prayer doesn't establish a religion and the majority of
citizens of this country believe in prayer. Also, the national day of
prayer does no harm to those who do not participate in it. So why is it
declared unconstitutional? Because libtards have decided that the minority
rules and the will of the majority doesn't mater.

RogerN



From: RogerN on

"Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:51:40 -0500, "RogerN"
> <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote:
>
>><snip>
>>On Earth there are good places to live and bad places to live, some have
>>it
>>pretty good here on Earth while others are not so fortunate.
>
> In other words, one cannot tell there are Christians here at
> all. When Jesus was around, he was basically preaching to
> give away all you own to the poor and follow him. At that
> time, there were no Christians at all and the religious
> leaders had a great deal of perks (like being able to eat
> from the fields on Sunday, for example) and this was a "new
> idea." Today, religious leaders still drive around in
> expensive, chauffeured cars and live in personal comfort and
> wealth, and no one much gives away everything they have to
> the poor to follow Jesus. The only difference is that there
> is a world full of people calling themselves Christians today
> and there were roughly zero back then. Nothing has changed,
> though. You can't tell there is any difference at all, for
> all the CINOs "Christians in name only" that exist now.
>
>>Couldn't Hell be similar as far as worse and better areas?
>
> Couldn't Valhalla be similar as far as worse and better
> areas? What about samsara from some Buddhist traditions?
> Might they be similar as far as worse and better areas?
>
> Don't you see this for the sheer argument from ignorance and
> projection that it is?
>
> Jon

Sorry, I just figured with all your years of study of the Bible you would
have ran across reward and punishment according to deeds.

Revelation 20
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and
sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the
dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged
according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up
the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in
them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

See the part "according to what he had done"? To me that indicates that
people will be punished or rewarded according to what they had done. Also
Jesus told in parables that some would receive few lashes and others would
receive many lashes. Jesus also said to his disciples that when people
abuse them to be of good cheer because great is their reward in Heaven. I
didn't explain this because I don't understand how you could have studied
the Bible and missed that concept. Did you only study the history of the
Bible and never open the book? I'm not trying to be insulting but I'm
suprised that you don't seem to know of this or know that the OT saints went
to Abraham's bosom in hades. I wrote "I heard" because I heard many times
and I don't have the book, chapter, and verse and Strong's concordance handy
here to look it up, I figured you already knew it. However if you didn't
know that paradise was in Hades I'll look it up for you.

RogerN


From: D from BC on
In article <plqus5d82erhcvjojrbtc70d31qb5a602a(a)4ax.com>,
jfields(a)austininstruments.com says...
> >Even if true, God is ridiculous by doing nothing.
>
> ---
> Tou have no clue what God is or isn't doing, and it's _you_ who's
> ridiculous in expecting God to live up to _your_ expectations.
>

The bible has God doing lots of things in the bible.
Now God does nothing.. That's a strange change.
Perhaps it's the presence of HD camcorders and digital cameras and cell
phone cameras.
There's more evidence that God does nothing compared to evidence that
God does something.

Prayer doesn't work especially for zero probability events.
There's been no recent defiances of physics such burning bushes, parted
seas and killing of 1st born.
No amputees have had their legs or arms grow back.

Christian engineers are ridiculous in naming what's unknown as God.


--
D from BC
British Columbia

From: Jon Kirwan on
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:23:06 -0500, "RogerN"
<regor(a)midwest.net> wrote:

>"Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message
>news:c7pss5l09san1ukr5htv50iogvooc0gv81(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:29:18 -0500, "RogerN"
>> <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote:
>>
>>>It's not a national Christian prayer day, it's national prayer day. It
>>>wasn't considered unconstitutional in 1975, or when Washington called for
>>>it
>>>in 1795, or any other time in the history of the United States until some
>>>libtarded woman judge decided it was unconstitutional in 2010.
>>><snip>
>>
>> Go read the decision before spouting off, ignorantly.
>>
>> http://www.wiwd.uscourts.gov/assets/pdf/FFRF_v_Obama_Order.pdf
>>
>> Jon
>
><snip>

Roger, did you read the decision, or not? If not, we've
nothing to discuss. It really bothers me a great deal when
you refuse to read even the ONE document you are actually
pretending to know better than. Let me know when you have
read it, completely. Beginning to end.

We can talk then. Not before. Until then, I will consider
_ALL_ of your opinions on this topic ignorant ones and not
worth discussion time. Read, then talk.

Jon
From: D from BC on
In article <plqus5d82erhcvjojrbtc70d31qb5a602a(a)4ax.com>,
jfields(a)austininstruments.com says...
> >Slave of the best kind.
>
> ---
> Kind of like a genie in a bottle, where all you have to do is wish for
> something, and there it is?
> ---
>

God can still be capricious as usual by doing random acts of kindness on
a mass scale such as the sudden elimination of malaria.
Babies need not die from malaria. (Is God doing abortion by mosquito?)
God should be responsible for the eradication of malaria not atheist
Bill Gates.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/topics/pages/malaria.aspx


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D from BC
British Columbia