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From: John Fields on 19 Apr 2010 20:07 On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:29:05 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <3l1ns59hs5dnismh3vkdmoedb3vte2p1at(a)4ax.com>, >jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >A doctor is not all-seeing/all powerful. >> >> --- >> See, you just did it... >> >> That, then, is a valid comparison. yes? >> >The only thing that compares well with God are all the other Gods >invented throughout history. --- But that wasn't the comparison you made, so you've hoisted yourself on your own pitard. --- >All the invented Gods have superpowers. --- Like Superman and Wonder Warthog? --- >An all seeing/all powerful God has the capability of being a superdoctor >everywhere at once. --- And the choice of whether or not _to_ be, --- >A superdoctor that doesn't heal people violates the Hippocratic oath by >doing nothing whenever someone suffers from say malaria, AIDS or cancer. --- I don't believe that God's following the Hippocratic oath was part of the covenant made between the Jews and God, even though he found them clever, so your argument is specious. Especially with respect to time. --- >99% of time people want to live due to survival instinct. --- Duh... Biology 101: Either you kill to eat or you'll be killed for food. So what? Does that mean that no one should ever die? --- >Since the majority is pro-survival, the default action of a superdoctor >is to eliminate the malaria, AIDS or cancer. --- The feelings, and prayers, of the majority may have had something to do with that, since malaria and yellow fever were eliminated during the construction of the Panama Canal, and the way to destroy the breeding grounds of the mosquitoes revealed. Not divinely, you'd say, of course, but God helps those who help themselves. --- nothing to do with it Following that thread to its logical conclusion would force God to become a servant to us and to exalt us above himself. In other words, to become our slave. --- >It is most ethical to treat without coercion. >It's coercion when one has to make certain brain thoughts (Believe in >Jesus) or else the superdoctor(God) watching you 24/7 will do nothing. >It is unethical/discrimination for an allseeing superdoctor (God) to >refuse medical treatment if there is an incorrect pattern (other >religion) or absent pattern (no religion) in the brain. > >Even if true, God is ridiculous in violating the Hippocratic oath and >good Samaritan law by watching terminal cancer patients 24/7 and doing >nothing. >Christian engineers are ridiculous is believing in any nonsense as long >as there's an afterlife involved in the deal. JF
From: Archimedes' Lever on 19 Apr 2010 20:19 On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 03:40:03 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:44:49 -0500, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:11:43 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:53:15 -0500, "RogerN" <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>>>news:la6bs5dnqimr5i58ipnsfasq1mb463998k(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:32:46 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In article <0le7s5l2qar0dhudv03gl5qoph09cfno7d(a)4ax.com>, >>>>>>jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >>>>>>> >Believe or BANG!. (Or perhaps they go to Rogers 'Hell Lite' for >>>>>>> >slightly >>>>>>> >evil people.) >>>>>>> >What happens if you don't believe in Christ/God? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Nothing. >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Then there's no reason to believe in Christ/God. >>>>>>All you got is a story book useful in mollifying slaves. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You missed it, as usual. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't believe in God, nothing happens. >>>>> >>>>> It's when you _do_ believe that things start happening. >>>>> >>>>> JF >>>> >>>>Right, >>>> >>>>D from BC: Show me and I'll believe. >>>> >>>>God: Believe and I'll show you. >>>> >>>>RogerN >>>> >>> >>>Sounds remarkably like 5 yo kids in the play ground. >> >>--- >>Precocious kids, no? >> >>JF > >No. Spoiled brats. Interesting article today about RNA NOT being random. God is the ever present dark matter. Always here though we cannot see.
From: RogerN on 19 Apr 2010 22:05 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2635a61a9fccac29897e1(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <3l1ns59hs5dnismh3vkdmoedb3vte2p1at(a)4ax.com>, > jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >A doctor is not all-seeing/all powerful. >> >> --- >> See, you just did it... >> >> That, then, is a valid comparison. yes? >> > > The only thing that compares well with God are all the other Gods > invented throughout history. > All the invented Gods have superpowers. > An all seeing/all powerful God has the capability of being a superdoctor > everywhere at once. > A superdoctor that doesn't heal people violates the Hippocratic oath by > doing nothing whenever someone suffers from say malaria, AIDS or cancer. > 99% of time people want to live due to survival instinct. > Since the majority is pro-survival, the default action of a superdoctor > is to eliminate the malaria, AIDS or cancer. > It is most ethical to treat without coercion. > It's coercion when one has to make certain brain thoughts (Believe in > Jesus) or else the superdoctor(God) watching you 24/7 will do nothing. > It is unethical/discrimination for an allseeing superdoctor (God) to > refuse medical treatment if there is an incorrect pattern (other > religion) or absent pattern (no religion) in the brain. > > Even if true, God is ridiculous in violating the Hippocratic oath and > good Samaritan law by watching terminal cancer patients 24/7 and doing > nothing. > Christian engineers are ridiculous is believing in any nonsense as long > as there's an afterlife involved in the deal. > > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia It seems a lot of your rant is based on God doesn't do things like they ought to be done. This isn't Heaven, this is Earth, Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. The Bible often refers to the god of this world and it isn't the God of Heaven. So you don't like the god of this world, that's who you are choosing to spend eternity with. God offers a way out, man is separated from God by sin, there is a bridge to cross over, there is a cross to bridge over. RogerN
From: Jon Kirwan on 20 Apr 2010 16:40 On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:51:40 -0500, "RogerN" <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: ><snip> >On Earth there are good places to live and bad places to live, some have it >pretty good here on Earth while others are not so fortunate. In other words, one cannot tell there are Christians here at all. When Jesus was around, he was basically preaching to give away all you own to the poor and follow him. At that time, there were no Christians at all and the religious leaders had a great deal of perks (like being able to eat from the fields on Sunday, for example) and this was a "new idea." Today, religious leaders still drive around in expensive, chauffeured cars and live in personal comfort and wealth, and no one much gives away everything they have to the poor to follow Jesus. The only difference is that there is a world full of people calling themselves Christians today and there were roughly zero back then. Nothing has changed, though. You can't tell there is any difference at all, for all the CINOs "Christians in name only" that exist now. >Couldn't Hell be similar as far as worse and better areas? Couldn't Valhalla be similar as far as worse and better areas? What about samsara from some Buddhist traditions? Might they be similar as far as worse and better areas? Don't you see this for the sheer argument from ignorance and projection that it is? Jon
From: RogerN on 20 Apr 2010 18:37
"Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message news:ig2ss551inmdqnvtlbv6cu4rrp2p3pmb0q(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:51:40 -0500, "RogerN" > <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: > >><snip> >>On Earth there are good places to live and bad places to live, some have >>it >>pretty good here on Earth while others are not so fortunate. > > In other words, one cannot tell there are Christians here at > all. When Jesus was around, he was basically preaching to > give away all you own to the poor and follow him. At that > time, there were no Christians at all and the religious > leaders had a great deal of perks (like being able to eat > from the fields on Sunday, for example) and this was a "new > idea." Today, religious leaders still drive around in > expensive, chauffeured cars and live in personal comfort and > wealth, and no one much gives away everything they have to > the poor to follow Jesus. The only difference is that there > is a world full of people calling themselves Christians today > and there were roughly zero back then. Nothing has changed, > though. You can't tell there is any difference at all, for > all the CINOs "Christians in name only" that exist now. I agree with you Jon, in this country "Christians" are so comfortable that the price of being a "believer" is about zero. Did you read Illie's book that I gave a link to? He paid a price for being a believer, and it appears that God rewarded him. Perhaps extraordinary faith requires extraordinary acts of God. >>Couldn't Hell be similar as far as worse and better areas? > > Couldn't Valhalla be similar as far as worse and better > areas? What about samsara from some Buddhist traditions? > Might they be similar as far as worse and better areas? > > Don't you see this for the sheer argument from ignorance and > projection that it is? > > Jon The Bible clearly teaches different degrees of reward in Heaven and different degrees of punishment in Hell. I don't understand how that is an argument from ignorance. From what I have heard, Paradise, Abraham's bosom, is in Hades, aka Hell. So if paradise is in Hell, and the lake of fire is in Hell, why is it a stretch to believe there can be something in between. I have heard of Hell described and a lake of fire and also as a 2nd death, and also as eternal separation from God. To me, a lake of fire sounds worse than what I think of as death, just an eternal non-existence. Maybe you will take comfort in the fact that Atheist are winning, the National day of Prayer has been declared unconstitutional. RogerN |