Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 9 Jul 2008 02:12 On Jul 8, 4:58 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:77a0ad77-eda4-4251-a60e-c206a0c8acfd(a)i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 7, 9:00�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:57e16449-1aee-4fc5-9bf6-f16f8970ac2b(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > Show me an atheist who wants to enter heaven, and I will answer your > >> > questions. �Otherwise, they are totally meaningless. �It is like you > >> > coming up to me on the street and saying, �I do not like you, and I > >> > will never enter your house, but I want to know everything you do. �If > >> > you do not want to enter, it is none of your business. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> When you insist that your house is the only way a house should be, and > >> that > >> our house is somehow evil and wrong, �and demand tax concessions on your > >> house, and call at our house asking us to change it to look like your > >> house, > >> and tell ridiculous and impossible lies about how our house was built , > >> and > >> dictate what type of house our children should grow up in by using > >> legislation, then it IS our business. > > >> -- > >> Steve O > > > Baloney, this is a democracy.  If there are more evil people, which > > there are, then evil people run the government, which they do.  What > > is it that you evil people want that you do not have? > > Robert B. Winn > > Now we get to the crux if the matter. > You think that everyone, except you, is evil. > What a warped and twisted philosophy you hold. > Don't you understand how you are being used? > That is how your religion works. > It's the oldest trick in the book. > You tell people they are evil, dirty or something is wrong with them, and > that they need to be cleansed. > And the super special magic voodoo priests who tell you that you are evil > are also claiming that THEY have all the secrets and are the only ones who > know how to "save" you and make you clean. > Except you have to do what they tell you and they also need your money, > right? > Keep your dumbass con-trick philosophy to yourself and don't even try to > push it in our faces. > > -- > Steve O You sound a little contentious about it, Steve. Are you worried about something? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 9 Jul 2008 02:07 On Jul 8, 2:41�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > The Loan Arranger wrote: > > Ben Dolan wrote: > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>> According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not > >>>>> be answered. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> And according to empirical evidence, a prayer asked in faith will > >>>> not be > >>>> answered either. > >>> What do you call empirical evidence? > >>> Robert B. Winn > > >> You hang out in physics newsgroups and you don't know what empirical > >> evidence is? I'm talking about peer reviewed, double-blind studies on > >> the efficacy--or more precisely, the complete lack of efficacy--of > >> prayer. > > > I hate to mention it, but have you read `The Efficacy of "Distant > > Healing"' (Annals of Internal Medicine, 2000, 132/11 pp.903-910)? > > > It was a study of peer-reviewed studies (mostly double-blind) into a > > range of healing methods, including "healing touch" and intercessionary > > prayer. Although it ruled that a number of the trials suffered from poor > > protocols or inherent bias, it did conclude that a majority showed > > statistically significant treatment effects, including trials considered > > well structured and conducted. > > > The article had a good range of grant fundings, including the Wellcome > > Trust, the �National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine > > and the National Institutes of Health. > > > One of the more interesting conclusions, by the way, is that although > > Christian prayer appeared somewhat efficacious, a number of other > > methods, some Pagan, some atheist (in the sense of having no worship > > element), worked equally well or better. > > Indeed. Prayer has effect. But to whom, is largely irrelevant ;-) > > > > > TLA- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sennacherib, the Assyrian king, was praying to a graven image when his two sons murdered him. Robert B. Winn
From: Ye Old One on 9 Jul 2008 06:04 On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote: >According to scientists, >Light emitted by any source of light travels toward the point where it >is observed at 186,000 miles per second, regardless of the velocity of >the source of light. That is correct. Do you have a problem with that? Are you aware that it has been confirmed by a large number of experiments? Or is this another debate you will run away from like the coward you are? -- Bob.
From: The Loan Arranger on 9 Jul 2008 06:52 rbwinn wrote: > The fact that it could all be prophesied does not mean that God > approved of it. It just meant it was going to take place. You mean he was powerless to stop it? Wow! That must really have chafed. TLA
From: Alex W. on 9 Jul 2008 07:51
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6(a)59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 8, 4:46?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: Jesus told Judas at the last supper that he knew he was going to betray him. He also told John that Judas was going to betray him. ========= And he acquiesced in the betrayal. In other words, he gave Judas his blessing. |