Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 11 Jul 2008 21:31 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:01:56 -0500, Antares 531 <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:20:31 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> >wrote: > >>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:54:38 -0500, Antares 531 >><gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a(a)b.c> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>Antares 531 wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_III(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) >>>>> wrote: >>>(snip) >>>>>> >>>>> Ben, there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence that God exists, >>>> >>>>Which God though? >>>> >>>The One whose prophecies are repeatedly and accurately fulfilled. >>> >>>http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml >> >>God made no prophecies. >> >Indeed He did! God spoke to us through the prophets. Gordon No evidence supports that proposition.
From: Steve O on 11 Jul 2008 21:55 "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message news:t9tf7454vulne1e72rfkot1fsesqnnnrao(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:15:05 +0100, "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> > wrote: > >> >> >>"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message >>news:e0pf749gtttsrk8eso4lqjttd2u7gumuur(a)4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a(a)b.c> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Antares 531 wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_III(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) >>>>> wrote: >>> (snip) >>>>>> >>>>> Ben, there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence that God exists, >>>> >>>>Which God though? >>>> >>> The One whose prophecies are repeatedly and accurately fulfilled. >>> >>> http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml >> >>I checked out this link and read the first line, "Unique among all books >>ever written, the Bible..." >>If the opening line was anything to go by, there wasn't much point in >>reading all of the rest. >>ALL books are unique... unless it's the same book. >>D'oh! >> > Polycystinea, the main class of radiolarians is "unique" among the > creatures of this planet in that it has a siliceous skeletal > composition. Oookaaaaay... But we we talking about books, not the unique molecular phylogeny of spongodiscidae. > > The Bible is unique among all books in that it is the word of God, > revealed to us through the prophets. Nah. Lots of books claim to be the word of God. Nothing unique there. >The fact that the prophetic > information is and has been reliably fulfilled makes the Bible > different than any other such books. Gordon Ever hear of self- fulfilling prophecy? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Antares 531 on 11 Jul 2008 22:00 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:31:36 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:01:56 -0500, Antares 531 ><gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:20:31 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> >>wrote: >> (snip >>> >>>God made no prophecies. >>> >>Indeed He did! God spoke to us through the prophets. Gordon > >No evidence supports that proposition. > Indeed, an abundance of evidence supports this and no known evidence falsifies it. How do you explain the consistent fulfillment of Biblical prophecies if they weren't given to us from God. Can any mere mortal reliably predict such highly improbable events in advance. Gordon
From: Antares 531 on 11 Jul 2008 22:18 On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:55:26 +0100, "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message >news:t9tf7454vulne1e72rfkot1fsesqnnnrao(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:15:05 +0100, "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message >>>news:e0pf749gtttsrk8eso4lqjttd2u7gumuur(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a(a)b.c> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Antares 531 wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_III(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) >>>>>> wrote: >>>> (snip) >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ben, there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence that God exists, >>>>> >>>>>Which God though? >>>>> >>>> The One whose prophecies are repeatedly and accurately fulfilled. >>>> >>>> http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml >>> >>>I checked out this link and read the first line, "Unique among all books >>>ever written, the Bible..." >>>If the opening line was anything to go by, there wasn't much point in >>>reading all of the rest. >>>ALL books are unique... unless it's the same book. >>>D'oh! >>> >> Polycystinea, the main class of radiolarians is "unique" among the >> creatures of this planet in that it has a siliceous skeletal >> composition. > >Oookaaaaay... >But we we talking about books, not the unique molecular phylogeny of >spongodiscidae. > I thought we were debating the meaning of "unique." > >> >> The Bible is unique among all books in that it is the word of God, >> revealed to us through the prophets. > >Nah. >Lots of books claim to be the word of God. >Nothing unique there. > Have you found books of other religions that provide prophetic information that actually happens as foretold? > >>The fact that the prophetic >> information is and has been reliably fulfilled makes the Bible >> different than any other such books. Gordon > >Ever hear of self- fulfilling prophecy? > Yes, and I'll admit there is room to suspect that in some Biblical writings, but there are numerous other prophetic passages in the Bible that could not have been "constructed" to fit the situation, after the fact. The above link points out many such writings. Gordon
From: hhyapster on 11 Jul 2008 22:45
On Jul 11, 12:12 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 10, 8:09 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 6:22 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 10, 2:46�am, "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:9be8380a-3a4f-4748-9f03-c7f57bedd527(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > > > >Well, according to the Bible, natural events are controlled by humans > > > > >on the earth. �If the people obey God's commandments, they prosper in > > > > >the land, the elements are tempered in their favor, and their lives > > > > >are safe an protected by heaven. �This does not happen very often. > > > > > � �We know that in the last days, wickedness on earth will be greater > > > > >than at any other time in the history of earth. �So we cannot expect > > > > >favorable conditions. > > > > > � � �The choice to have things this way was not God's. �It was made > > > > >by men who reject God. �If the people in Noah's day had listened to > > > > >Noah, there would have been no flood. �So how do you figure it was > > > > >God's faullt? > > > > > Because the Bible clearly states that God made the flood happen. As I > > > > see it, he was perfectly free to choose not to do so. > > > > > Chris > > > > Well, OK, then, as I understand it, you as a lawyer are seeking > > > damages against God for allowing the flood to happen. What you need > > > to understand is that I am not a judge, so it does you no good to tell > > > me about this case. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > You may not be the judge. But you certainly speak for him which means > > you are accessible to him. > > You have to do your job in seeking compensation, otherwise I would > > advise you not to go to heaven, since there are plenty of souls, > > killed by the great flood, waiting for you.- Hide quoted text - > > Well, the Bible says that the gospel was preached to the spirits in > prison who were sometime disobedient in the days of Noah. > Robert b. Winn Why wouldn't you address the questions directly and sensitively, instead of talking something else? If you can answer, just keep quiet and we all understand. At least you will be in a position not to continue your bullshit. |