Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: hhyapster on 11 Jul 2008 23:03 On Jul 11, 12:24 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 10, 8:39 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 6:50 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 10, 3:04 pm, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Jul 8, 1:20�pm, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: > > > > >>rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >>>Well, all you are doing is saying that God is guilty of > > > > >>>murder every time a natural death occurs. �I do not > > > > >>>think you will get far with that idea. > > > > > [...] > > > > > >>Assuming that you choose to clarify what you are trying to > > > > >>say, thanks in advance. > > > > > Well, according to the Bible, natural events are controlled > > > > > by humans on the earth. > > > > > If I take this as the clarification I asked for, of what > > > > you mean by "natural death" (which I think most people > > > > would consider a death that is not caused by humans, > > > > not cause by diseases, not caused by anything identifiable), > > > > then I suppose you are saying that no deaths are > > > > natural deaths. Do I understand you properly? > > > > > If this is what you mean, then you shouldn't be > > > > surprised if others have difficulties understanding you. > > > > > > If the people obey God's > > > > > commandments, they prosper in the land, the elements are > > > > > tempered in their favor, and their lives are safe an > > > > > protected by heaven. This does not happen very often. > > > > > We know that in the last days, wickedness on earth > > > > > will be greater than at any other time in the history > > > > > of earth. So we cannot expect favorable conditions. > > > > > The choice to have things this way was not God's. > > > > > It was made by men who reject God. If the people in > > > > > Noah's day had listened to Noah, there would have been > > > > > no flood. So how do you figure it was God's faullt? > > > > > You seem to be arguing that God is not responsible for > > > > anything. That seems to fit well with my own position, > > > > although we do arrive there from very different > > > > directions. > > > > > Keep up the good work. We'll make an atheist of you yet. > > > > > Just kidding. I don't really believe you're serious when > > > > you argue this way. A few posts after you post how God > > > > is responsible for nothing, you will post that God is > > > > responsible for everything. > > > > > There is no consistency in what you write, but maybe > > > > you see no problem in that. Do you see logic as a trap for > > > > the conscience? > > > > > Jim Burns > > > > Well, you atheists were the ones who were saying God should be > > > indicted for murder because natural deaths occur. Which court do you > > > plan to file that case in? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Wait a minute, you only include natural death, what about the sins and > > deaths caused by your god? > > All must be filed in our human court, and you must drag your god to > > the criminal court, OK?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > It already happened. He was sentenced to death. So what do you > think, you are going to do it again? > Robert B. Winn Ah, so he was dead as a human, like modern criminal die of lethal injection. So, he was no god, right?
From: rbwinn on 11 Jul 2008 23:18 On Jul 11, 7:45 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 11, 12:12 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:09 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 6:22 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 10, 2:46�am, "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:9be8380a-3a4f-4748-9f03-c7f57bedd527(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups..com... > > > > > > >Well, according to the Bible, natural events are controlled by humans > > > > > >on the earth. �If the people obey God's commandments, they prosper in > > > > > >the land, the elements are tempered in their favor, and their lives > > > > > >are safe an protected by heaven. �This does not happen very often. > > > > > > � �We know that in the last days, wickedness on earth will be greater > > > > > >than at any other time in the history of earth. �So we cannot expect > > > > > >favorable conditions. > > > > > > � � �The choice to have things this way was not God's. �It was made > > > > > >by men who reject God. �If the people in Noah's day had listened to > > > > > >Noah, there would have been no flood. �So how do you figure it was > > > > > >God's faullt? > > > > > > Because the Bible clearly states that God made the flood happen. As I > > > > > see it, he was perfectly free to choose not to do so. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > Well, OK, then, as I understand it, you as a lawyer are seeking > > > > damages against God for allowing the flood to happen.  What you need > > > > to understand is that I am not a judge, so it does you no good to tell > > > > me about this case. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > You may not be the judge. But you certainly speak for him which means > > > you are accessible to him. > > > You have to do your job in seeking compensation, otherwise I would > > > advise you not to go to heaven, since there are plenty of souls, > > > killed by the great flood, waiting for you.- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, the Bible says that the gospel was preached to the spirits in > > prison who were sometime disobedient in the days of Noah. > > Robert b. Winn > > Why wouldn't you address the questions directly and sensitively, > instead of talking something else? > If you can answer, just keep quiet and we all understand. At least you > will be in a position not to continue your bullshit.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So you are saying that I gave an answer that was not approved in your society of atheists. Why don't you ask your question to another atheist and get an answer that you are happy with? Robert B. Winn
From: Stan-O on 11 Jul 2008 23:25 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:18:31 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> Why wouldn't you address the questions directly and sensitively, >> instead of talking something else? >> If you can answer, just keep quiet and we all understand. At least you >> will be in a position not to continue your bullshit.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >So you are saying that I gave an answer that was not approved in your >society of atheists. Why don't you ask your question to another >atheist and get an answer that you are happy with? >Robert B. Winn Nice dodge...but then, that's all you ever do, isn't it?
From: Stan-O on 11 Jul 2008 23:30 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:54:35 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of >words. There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and >adulterer meant the same thing. >Robert B. Winn ....which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
From: rbwinn on 11 Jul 2008 23:47
On Jul 11, 8:03 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 11, 12:24 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:39 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 6:50 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 10, 3:04 pm, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 8, 1:20�pm, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > >>rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >>>Well, all you are doing is saying that God is guilty of > > > > > >>>murder every time a natural death occurs. �I do not > > > > > >>>think you will get far with that idea. > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > >>Assuming that you choose to clarify what you are trying to > > > > > >>say, thanks in advance. > > > > > > Well, according to the Bible, natural events are controlled > > > > > > by humans on the earth. > > > > > > If I take this as the clarification I asked for, of what > > > > > you mean by "natural death" (which I think most people > > > > > would consider a death that is not caused by humans, > > > > > not cause by diseases, not caused by anything identifiable), > > > > > then I suppose you are saying that no deaths are > > > > > natural deaths. Do I understand you properly? > > > > > > If this is what you mean, then you shouldn't be > > > > > surprised if others have difficulties understanding you. > > > > > > >              If the people obey God's > > > > > > commandments, they prosper in the land, the elements are > > > > > > tempered in their favor, and their lives are safe an > > > > > > protected by heaven.  This does not happen very often. > > > > > >   We know that in the last days, wickedness on earth > > > > > > will be greater than at any other time in the history > > > > > > of earth.  So we cannot expect favorable conditions. > > > > > >    The choice to have things this way was not God's. > > > > > > It was made by men who reject God.  If the people in > > > > > > Noah's day had listened to Noah, there would have been > > > > > > no flood.  So how do you figure it was God's faullt? > > > > > > You seem to be arguing that God is not responsible for > > > > > anything. That seems to fit well with my own position, > > > > > although we do arrive there from very different > > > > > directions. > > > > > > Keep up the good work. We'll make an atheist of you yet. > > > > > > Just kidding. I don't really believe you're serious when > > > > > you argue this way. A few posts after you post how God > > > > > is responsible for nothing, you will post that God is > > > > > responsible for everything. > > > > > > There is no consistency in what you write, but maybe > > > > > you see no problem in that. Do you see logic as a trap for > > > > > the conscience? > > > > > > Jim Burns > > > > > Well, you atheists were the ones who were saying God should be > > > > indicted for murder because natural deaths occur.  Which court do you > > > > plan to file that case in? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Wait a minute, you only include natural death, what about the sins and > > > deaths caused by your god? > > > All must be filed in our human court, and you must drag your god to > > > the criminal court, OK?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > It already happened.  He was sentenced to death.  So what do you > > think, you are going to do it again? > > Robert B. Winn > > Ah, so he was dead as a human, like modern criminal die of lethal > injection. > So, he was no god, right?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Wrong. He had power to lay down his life. He had power to take it up again. He was resurrected three days after he was crucified. Robert B. Winn |