Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Stan-O on 20 Jul 2008 14:48 On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:59:38 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >I never started. ?The only newsgroups I post to are sci.physics and >> >sci.physics.relativity. >> >> Yet, here you are. You are posting twenty to thirty messages every >> day, and yet claim you are not posting to alt.atheism. You won't >> remove the newsgroup because you enjoy it so much. We are your opium, >> and you are too stupid to realize it.- Hide quoted text - >> >Karl Marx said religion was your opium. I do not use drugs of any >kind. That kind of accusation is only meaningful to people who use >drugs. Translation: "I'm of rubber, you're of glue..."
From: cjcountess on 20 Jul 2008 15:05 Hi Robert Winn This is Conrad Countess I appreciate the interest. In response to your question, are you any good at math, not very. But I arrived at this logically and geometrically and realized that it exactly coincided with math equation E=mc^2. Analogous to a line of 1 inch in horizontal direction times a line of 1 inch in vertical direction to create a square inch, if you take c in the linear direction and multiply it by c in the right angular frequency direction, this should create a balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces and circular or spherical motion of energy, such as a standing spherical wave. This geometrically demonstrates how a wave turns into a particle at the high end of EM spectrum at a frequency where the right angular speed and momentum of the wave equals and balances the linear speed and momentum of the wave. I have more than enough evidence to support this and will post more soon. In the mean time here are two sets of rough graphics that may help you visualize what I am saying. Conrad Countess http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dsn5q6f_209723wdc9 http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_11vv737cck
From: BuddyThunder on 20 Jul 2008 15:57 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 20, 3:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 18, 5:18�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:5b662486-64a5-475b-893e-61be952ea62a(a)k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 18, 12:29?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>> Smiler wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ad020ec9-a457-4dae-818d-182301ce08ba(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Jul 16, 12:01 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 11:29 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:01?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Only an atheist would want all choices made for >>>>>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>> Now there was me thinking that that was the mark of a worshipper. >>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>> seems to me that atheists make their own choices, because they >>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>> have decisions ready-dictated to them. >>>>>>>>>> So you think it is a mistake to decide ahead of time not to commit >>>>>>>>>> murder, not to steal, to attend church, not to commit adultery, etc. >>>>>>>>> Why would you be so morally deficient so as to need to perform >>>>>>>>> morning >>>>>>>>> affirmations in order not to kill people? >>>>>>>>> My moral decisions are made as the occasion demands it. Seems to work >>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>> So are you saying that for each person you encounter, you make a >>>>>>>> decision to kill or not to kill? >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> No, I'm saying exactly the opposite. I need not make that decision at >>>>>>> all, because I'm not filled with murderous rage. >>>>>>> As moral decisions need to be made, I make them according to my own >>>>>>> values.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> So you would only decide to kill someone if you were filled with >>>>>> murderous rage. ?A lot of serial killers seem to be the same way. >>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>> Most of whom are 'beleivers' in one god or another. >>>>> We've got one on trial over here at the moment. He shot a guy, then >>>>> tried to decapitate two women with a katana. Apparently God told him to >>>>> do it. Hopefully the jury disagrees.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Almost every murderer today says that because they know the atheistic >>>> court system will reward them for saying it. >>>> ================================= >>>> Why would an "atheistic court system" reward someone who claimed to believe >>>> in gods, skippy? >>> Lawyers reward anyone who adds to their power and financial security. >> You've got a whole "reward" thing going on at the moment, why is that?- Hide quoted text - >> > > I do not have anything going at the present time. Lawyers were the > people who started "plea bargaining" and did away with the right to > trial by jury. Hmmm. The word "reward" came up in your lexicon quite a bit there, I wondered if you'd been to a sermon. :-)
From: BuddyThunder on 20 Jul 2008 15:58 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 19, 10:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 19, 10:11�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:9445436b-52c9-44e7-8b37-1a8008c43c98(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> counter-examples in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drawn to or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from religion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLA >>>>>>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> Hitler. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of >>>>>>>>>>>>> today. >>>>>>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia >>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because >>>>>>>>>>>> they've >>>>>>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably >>>>>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to >>>>>>>>>>>> recalibrate >>>>>>>>>>>> your humanity. >>>>>>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot >>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>> both atheists. >>>>>>>>>> They were also both men. So what? >>>>>>>>>>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people >>>>>>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which >>>>>>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. >>>>>>>>>> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's >>>>>>>>>> inauguration: Approximately 9 million >>>>>>>>>> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian >>>>>>>>>> What were you saying again? >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the >>>>>>>>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic >>>>>>>>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of >>>>>>>>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. >>>>>>>> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: >>>>>>>> Roberts: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Stevens: Protestant >>>>>>>> Scalia: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Kennedy: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Souter: Episcopalian >>>>>>>> Thomas: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Breyer: Jewish >>>>>>>> Alito: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Ginsburg: Jewish >>>>>>>> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of >>>>>>>> America, the federal law of the land. >>>>>>>> What were you saying again? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision >>>>>>> that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to >>>>>>> be religious. Actions speak louder than words. >>>>>> Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". >>>> <piggybacking here to respond to Winn> >>>>> Roe v. Wade >>>> BZZT! �Roe v. Wade did not promote atheism. �Try again. >>> Roe v. Wade accomplished one of the primary goals of atheism, >> BZZT! There are no goals of atheism. Try again. >> >> -- > So you are saying that the atheistic rulers of China do not try to > control the population of China by limiting reproduction to one child > per couple? Now we have the same kind of government here in the > United States in which the atheistic members of the Supreme Court can > begin to limit reproduction in the United States. That is one reason > why atheists have begun to promote homosexuality. They see it as a > means of limiting and controlling population. You're sounding goofy again.
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 20 Jul 2008 16:59
On Jul 18, 10:31 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > > >>>>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > > >>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > > >>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > > >>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > > >>>>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > > >>>>>>> million people. > > >>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > > >>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > > >>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > > >>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > > >>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > > >>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > > >>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > > >>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > > >>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > > >>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > > >>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > > >>>>>> away from religion. > > >>>>>> TLA > > >>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > > >>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of > > >>>> Hitler. > > >>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > > >>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not > > >>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > > >>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who > > >>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've > > >>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and > > >>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this > > >>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. > > >>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate > > >>>> your humanity. > > >>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - > > >>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were > > >>> both atheists. > > >> They were also both men. So what? > > > >>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people > > >>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which > > >>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. > > >> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's > > >> inauguration: Approximately 9 million > > >> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian > > > >> What were you saying again? > > > >> -- > > > > George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the > > > United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic > > > Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of > > > Judicial dictatorship in the United States. > > > Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: > > Roberts: Roman Catholic > > Stevens: Protestant > > Scalia: Roman Catholic > > Kennedy: Roman Catholic > > Souter: Episcopalian > > Thomas: Roman Catholic > > Breyer: Jewish > > Alito: Roman Catholic > > Ginsburg: Jewish > > > The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of > > America, the federal law of the land. > > > What were you saying again? > > > -- > > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision > that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to > be religious. Actions speak louder than words. > Robert B. Winn Actions do speak louder than words. Whic is why I condemn Christians as malignant bastards and atheists seem to be the best of humanity. Al |