Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Stan-O on 20 Jul 2008 21:40 On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:10:15 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Why would an "atheistic court system" reward someone who claimed to believe >> >> >> >> in gods, skippy? >> >> >> >> > Lawyers reward anyone who adds to their power and financial security. >> >> >> >> You've got a whole "reward" thing going on at the moment, why is that?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >I do not have anything going at the present time. ?Lawyers were the >> >> >people who started "plea bargaining" and did away with the right to >> >> >trial by jury. >> >> >> That's odd, because my boss was just on a jury trial last month. I >> >> guess that makes you a liar again, doesn't it?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >No, it does not. ?The right to trial by jury no longer exists. ? >> >> <snip> >> >> The rest of your psychobabble wasn't even worth reading, particularly >> when you start with such an idiotic comment. >> >> I guess that old saying is right - A person who acts as their own >> lawyer has an idiot for a client.. > >Well, you Europeans love lawyers. I would never hire one under any >circumstances. What in tarnation ever gave you the idea that I am from Europe!?!?
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 20 Jul 2008 22:13 On Jul 21, 11:40 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:10:15 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> Why would an "atheistic court system" reward someone who claimed to believe > >> >> >> >> in gods, skippy? > > >> >> >> > Lawyers reward anyone who adds to their power and financial security. > > >> >> >> You've got a whole "reward" thing going on at the moment, why is that?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >I do not have anything going at the present time. ?Lawyers were the > >> >> >people who started "plea bargaining" and did away with the right to > >> >> >trial by jury. > > >> >> That's odd, because my boss was just on a jury trial last month. I > >> >> guess that makes you a liar again, doesn't it?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >No, it does not. ?The right to trial by jury no longer exists. ? > > >> <snip> > > >> The rest of your psychobabble wasn't even worth reading, particularly > >> when you start with such an idiotic comment. > > >> I guess that old saying is right - A person who acts as their own > >> lawyer has an idiot for a client.. > > >Well, you Europeans love lawyers. I would never hire one under any > >circumstances. > > What in tarnation ever gave you the idea that I am from Europe!?!? Not to mention the irony meter breaking statement hidden in there that Europeans love lawyers more than amercans. lmao Al
From: rbwinn on 20 Jul 2008 22:15 On Jul 20, 1:59 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 18, 10:31 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > > > >>>>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > > > >>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > > > >>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > > > >>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > > > >>>>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > > > >>>>>>> million people. > > > >>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > > > >>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > > > >>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > > > >>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > > > >>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > > > >>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > > > >>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > > > >>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > > > >>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > > > >>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > > > >>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > > > >>>>>> away from religion. > > > >>>>>> TLA > > > >>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > > > >>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of > > > >>>> Hitler. > > > >>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > > > >>>>> with the German people.  His actions in his life show that he did not > > > >>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > > > >>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who > > > >>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've > > > >>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and > > > >>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this > > > >>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. > > > >>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate > > > >>>> your humanity. > > > >>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - > > > >>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it.  Stalin and Pol Pot were > > > >>> both atheists. > > > >> They were also both men.  So what? > > > > >>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people > > > >>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which > > > >>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. > > > >> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's > > > >> inauguration: Approximately 9 million > > > >> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian > > > > >> What were you saying again? > > > > >> -- > > > > > George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the > > > > United States will be.  All major decisions are made by the atheistic > > > > Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of > > > > Judicial dictatorship in the United States. > > > > Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: > > > Roberts: Roman Catholic > > > Stevens: Protestant > > > Scalia: Roman Catholic > > > Kennedy: Roman Catholic > > > Souter: Episcopalian > > > Thomas: Roman Catholic > > > Breyer: Jewish > > > Alito: Roman Catholic > > > Ginsburg: Jewish > > > > The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of > > > America, the federal law of the land. > > > > What were you saying again? > > > > -- > > > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision > > that did not promote atheism.  It does not matter if they all claim to > > be religious.  Actions speak louder than words. > > Robert B. Winn > > Actions do speak louder than words.  Whic is why I condemn Christians > as malignant bastards and atheists seem to be the best of humanity. > > Al- Hide quoted text - Well, whic is probably the most intelligent reason I have seen an atheist give. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 20 Jul 2008 22:18 On Jul 20, 2:05 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 18, 10:41 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 7:10 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Jul 16, 10:20 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > > > >>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > > > > > >>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > > > > > >>> because whatever they do is not sin. > > > > > >> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > > > > > >> meaningless. In absolute terms. > > > > > > > Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > > > > > > million people. > > > > > > As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > > > > > always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > > > > > > Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > > > > > indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > > > > > > Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > > > > > seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > > > > > has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > > > > > > There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > > > > > Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > > > > > both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > > > > > some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > > > > > away from religion. > > > > > > TLA > > > > > So was this John Towland an atheist? > > > > Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > > > > with the German people.  His actions in his life show that he did not > > > > believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > You must be a hateful person, simply because of your lousy life. > > > Sin is always in your mind that had been brainwashed into your brain > > > cells...see the evil of your religion? > > > Human being, regardless of who they are, are born not with any > > > "sin"....sin is what is being planted into your head. > > > The term sin is a meaningless word which is beyond your ability to > > > comprehend. > > > The children are all born beautiful and innocent. They learn, they > > > grow and they contribute to this world...this is fundamental for > > > human. > > > The loons are different....they are born with sin and always need to > > > ask for forgiveness, then commit sin again, then ask...a cycle and > > > finally depart to serve their god, never contribute to this world. Yet > > > they are as human as all others.\ > > > > Think deeply, if your brain cells can still function.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, you left out the children who are killed before they are born by > > abortion. > > Robert B. Winn > > You left out the several billion (women, children and fetuses) that > die during childbirth due to unwanted and ill-advised pregnancies. > You left out the trillions of fetuses that die of natural causes due > to lack of good health-care, or simply because the mother wasn't > nourished enough. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > So are you saying, Al, that you have noticed that there are consequences to immorality? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 20 Jul 2008 22:22
On Jul 20, 2:16�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 19, 3:21 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >>>> -- > > > >>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the > > > >>> United States will be. �All major decisions are made by the atheistic > > > >>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of > > > >>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. > > > >> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: > > > >> Roberts: Roman Catholic > > > >> Stevens: Protestant > > > >> Scalia: Roman Catholic > > > >> Kennedy: Roman Catholic > > > >> Souter: Episcopalian > > > >> Thomas: Roman Catholic > > > >> Breyer: Jewish > > > >> Alito: Roman Catholic > > > >> Ginsburg: Jewish > > > > >> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of > > > >> America, the federal law of the land. > > > > >> What were you saying again? > > > > >> -- > > > > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision > > > > that did not promote atheism. �It does not matter if they all claim to > > > > be religious. �Actions speak louder than words. > > > > Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Roe v. Wade > > > Robert B. Winn > > Roe v Wade was a decision made on the grounds of violation of > privacy. �Not a theological argument anywhere. > Any more? > > Al- Hide quoted text - Roe v. Wade was made on the grounds of atheism. Robert B. Winn |