Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 1 Aug 2008 23:07 On Aug 1, 8:14�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:f012c137-ec7a-4f41-acf8-81a047bcb82d(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > >> Smiler, > > I never go to alt.atheism. > > Idiot - you are never out of it. > Every time you hit that send button with alt.atheism in your headers, you go > there. > > �All I am doing is responding to posts in > > > sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity. > > Robert B. Winn > > And alt.atheism, cretin. > I don't care what is in the headers. I have already told you how to avoid talking to me. Just take sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity out of the header. I never go to alt.atheism. Robert b. Winn
From: Free Lunch on 1 Aug 2008 23:07 On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:45:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Aug 1, 7:34?am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> > What makes a book fiction or non-fiction is the intent of the author or >> > authors. ?A fiction book is an account of imaginary events. >> >> Exactly so, and THAT is why the Bible is fiction. I'm glad you >> understand that, you may be making progress. > >The proclamation of an atheist has no real power. It does not change >reality. That is true. It is reality that shows us that the Bible is full of errors and unreliable. It is reality that tells us that Genesis is nothing but fiction. It is reality that tells us that the rest of the Bible is only incidentally correct. It is reality that tells us that the claims of Christianity are completely without merit. You are fighting reality and losing badly.
From: DanielSan on 1 Aug 2008 23:11 rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 1, 8:14�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:f012c137-ec7a-4f41-acf8-81a047bcb82d(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >> >>>> Smiler, >>> I never go to alt.atheism. >> Idiot - you are never out of it. >> Every time you hit that send button with alt.atheism in your headers, you go >> there. >> >> �All I am doing is responding to posts in >> >>> sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity. >>> Robert B. Winn >> And alt.atheism, cretin. >> > I don't care what is in the headers. I have already told you how to > avoid talking to me. Just take sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity > out of the header. I never go to alt.atheism. When alt.atheism is in your headers, you ARE going there. I don't care about talking to you or not. If you care about not talking to atheists, however, you're going to have to snip alt.atheism from your headers. Otherwise, we're going to keep attacking your very tenuous grasp on reality. If that's the course you wish to take, by all means, keep alt.atheism in your headers. -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: rbwinn on 2 Aug 2008 02:37 On Aug 1, 8:26�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some > >>>>>>>>>>> evidence > >>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> God as well. > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for > >>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. > >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? > >>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, > >>>>>>>>> it's > >>>>>>>>> just an old, old story. > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three > >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>>>>>> ================================ > >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. > >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? > >>>>>>>> Smiler, > >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for > >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- > >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. > >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to > >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ****************************************************** > >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one > >>>>> atheist claimed? > >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. > >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate > >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the > >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it > >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? > >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. > >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to > >>>>> make a decision about this. > >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that > >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there > >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are > >>>>> obviously true. > >>>> How about this mindblower: > >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is > >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness > >>>> of the Bible. > >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them > >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. > >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe > >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? > >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted > >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is > >>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction > >>> of something that can be observed. > >> And that's irrelevant. > > >>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book > >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all > >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. > >> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it. > >> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is > >> irrelevant to the veracity of the book. > > > No, it is not irrelevant. > > Yes. �Yes, it is. > > > > >>> The > >>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes > >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you > >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have > >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not > >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope > >>> this will help you in your studies. > >> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know. > > >> -- > > God already proved it. �If you reject the atonement of Christ for your > > sins, it is your problem, not mine. > > God has done nothing of the sort. �Someone told you that God proved it, > but do you have any evidence that he did? > > PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even > show to exist is summarily rejected. > There is no threat. You atheists say that you do not want to enter heaven. You will get exactly what you say you want. So where is the threat? It is a threat to give someone what they say they want? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Aug 2008 02:38
On Aug 1, 8:28�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 31, 7:05 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On Aug 1, 8:10 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some > >>>>>>>>>>> evidence > >>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> God as well. > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for > >>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. > >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? > >>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, > >>>>>>>>> it's > >>>>>>>>> just an old, old story. > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three > >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>>>>>> ================================ > >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. > >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? > >>>>>>>> Smiler, > >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for > >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- > >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. > >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to > >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ****************************************************** > >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one > >>>>> atheist claimed? > >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. > >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate > >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the > >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it > >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? > >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. > >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to > >>>>> make a decision about this. > >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that > >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there > >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are > >>>>> obviously true. > >>>> How about this mindblower: > >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is > >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness > >>>> of the Bible. > >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them > >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. > >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe > >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? > >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted > >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is > >>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction > >>> of something that can be observed. > >>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book > >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all > >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. > >> Your misapprehension of his premise is noted. > > >>> The > >>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes > >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you > >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have > >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not > >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope > >>> this will help you in your studies. > >> Yes. > >> Using that logic and one data point, this means the bible is fiction > >> or non-fiction. > >> Using a second data point, say global flood, proves the bible is a > >> work of fiction. > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, no it does not. �What you are claiming is that if you can find a > > mistake or something debatable in a non-fiction book, then you have > > proven it is fiction. � > > No. > > > What makes a book fiction or non-fiction is the > > intent of the author or authors. �A fiction book is an account of > > imaginary events. � > > ...or people. > > > A perceived mistake in a non-fiction book can > > happen because of a misinterpretation of events by either the author > > or reader of the book. > > So, you're saying that the Bible has mistakes? > Yes, the Bible has mistakes. Robert B. Winn |