Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 2 Aug 2008 02:39 On Aug 1, 8:29�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 31, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 31, 2:47 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> OnJul30, 10:32 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>> OnJul31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >>>>>>>> <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: > >>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue,29Jul2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >>>>>>>>>> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups..com>: > >>>>>>>>>>> OnJul22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20Jul2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 10:18 am, DanielSan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you wait > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist on making > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool of yourself. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were aGod, He would strike you down for being > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a bad > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says he is an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today say he was not. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error.. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire Bibledoesit say that Paul was one of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twelve. That was a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim you made up that was not true. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of, they > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out. > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, as you can see, apostledoesnot mean 'one of the Twelve'. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Yourgod > >>>>>>>>>>>> would be > >>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted > >>>>>>>>>>>> text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes itdoesmean ?one of the Twelve. > >>>>>>>>>> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste > >>>>>>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>>> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no > >>>>>>>>>> one_ > >>>>>>>>>> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around > >>>>>>>>> lying about it. > >>>>>>>> You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the > >>>>>>>> Twelve.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not > >>>>>>> been ordained. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> I am an apostle. > >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> So who ordained you an apostle? > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> You did. > >>>> You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle, > >>>> and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle. > >>>> It's right up there, in the text. > >>>> -- > >>>> Steve O > >>> Paul was ordained an apostle. Al was not. > >> I ordain Al as an apostle. > > >> -- > > You would have to be an apostle to ordain an apostle. > > I've already been ordained an apostle. > So who ordained you an apostle? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Aug 2008 02:40 On Aug 1, 8:29�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 31, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then? > >>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and > >>>>>> hypocrites. But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human > >>>>>> rights. > >>>>> Well, yes, I do. Like other atheists you campaign for abortion, > >>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> Please show me evidence that I've campaigned for abortion. Because > >>>> that's a flat out lie. And is that your best effort at demonising > >>>> atheists? > >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Atheists have caused more abortions than any other group of people. > >> So, you can't show evidence where atheists (like Al) have campaigned for > >> abortion. You have lied. > > >> -- > > > Josef Stalin was an atheist like Al. �While Josef Stalin was dictator > > of the Soviet Union, the number of abortions in Russia increased to > > about five per woman. > > In the People's Republic of China, women who have had one child are > > required by the state to abort any children conceived after the first > > child is born. > > So, you have lied. No, I did not lie. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 2 Aug 2008 02:43 On Aug 1, 8:36�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 31, 9:20 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 31, 6:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> OnJul31, 5:36 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> OnJul30, 9:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:40 pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and to think that Marx himself was Jewish...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Marx said that he was an atheist. How is it that now that Communism > >>>>>>>>>>>>> has failed, all of these Communist icons are suddenly religious men? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Because you read filtered propaganda instead of doing any research > >>>>>>>>>>>> into their backgrounds. > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I knew that Karl Marx was born to a Jewish family and became an > >>>>>>>>>>> atheist. I knew that Josef Stalin was born into a Russian Orthodox > >>>>>>>>>>> family and became an atheist. Those are just facts. So how do > >>>>>>>>>>> atheists of today hope to change the facts by claiming that these two > >>>>>>>>>>> individuals were religious men? > >>>>>>>>>> So, you believe Marx and Stalin when they claimed to be atheists? > >>>>>>>>> I absolutely do. They sound just like atheists of today. > >>>>>>>> You mean, you don't think they were lying for political gain? > >>>>>>> Yes, they were lying for political gain > >>>>>> Therefore, it's possible they weren't atheists. > >>>>> Well, no, it is not possible. There were no Communist dictators who > >>>>> were not atheists. > >>>> ...that you will admit to existing, you mean. > >>> Well, tell me one and we will see if I admit it. > >> Already done with Muntzer. > > > Already done? �So in what nation was he head of state? > > First, define "nation". > Just go to Merriam-Webster dictionary online. Any words you do not understand, you can look up in a dictionary. Perhaps you did not know about dictionaries. Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 2 Aug 2008 03:35 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e1543692-d292-4ac9-a5a5-d14b6b49f345(a)f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... The proclamation of an atheist has no real power. It does not change reality. ========= Atheists do not want to change reality. Only True Believers would want to do a damnfool thing like that.
From: rbwinn on 2 Aug 2008 02:48
On Aug 1, 8:36�am, Matthew Johnson <matthew_mem...(a)newsguy.org> wrote: > In article <6fgnigFb4q4...(a)mid.individual.net>, Steve O says... > > >"rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >news:f012c137-ec7a-4f41-acf8-81a047bcb82d(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>> Smiler, > >> I never go to alt.atheism. > > >Idiot - you are never out of it. > >Every time you hit that send button with alt.atheism in your headers, you go > >there. > > > All I am doing is responding to posts in > >> sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity. > >> Robert B. Winn > > >And alt.atheism, cretin. > > Where the posts annoy the inmates, but they are at least on topic. They are most > certainly off-topic for sci.physics. Well, Matthew, I started talking to these atheists because no scientists wanted to discuss my derivation of the Lorentz equations. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t w=velocity of light x=wt x'=wn' x'=x-vt wn'=wt-vt n'=t(1-v/w) w=x/t = x'/n' = (x-vt)/(t-vt/w) = (x-vt)/(t-vx/w^2) =(x-vt) gamma/(t- vx^c^2)gamma =x'Lorentz/t'Lorentz Robert B. Winn |