Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 27 Jun 2008 21:36 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 22, 12:56 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 21, 5:05�pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>>> news:485d8115(a)clear.net.nz... >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Jun 21, 12:43?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:c5f85d3b-d62a-4cf8-925f-661796bd9082(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> All public education in the United States is now atheistic. >>>>>>> ========== >>>>>>> IOW, it conforms to the law of the land. >>>>>> The law of the land guaranteed freedom of religion, right to trial by >>>>>> jury, free and open elections, and many other things that do not exist >>>>>> in the United States today. >>>>> You don't feel free to practice your religion? Weird. It's a VERY >>>>> religious country. >>>>> Public education �shouldn't teach people things that are not shown to be >>>>> true. They shouldn't teach Christianity, Islam, Odinism OR Hinduism. Why >>>>> is that wrong? >>>> He does not grasp that "freedom of religion" also means "freedom FROM >>>> religion".- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, then they should not be teaching atheism, either, but we see no >>> such restriction on that religion. >> Atheism isn't a religion any more than not playing guitar is a hobby. >> >> And you still can't say how atheism is being taught in public schools. >> Don't be scared of reality, it ain't that bad!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Not playing guitar is a hobby in today's society. How many people do > you know who do not play guitar? It takes someone with strong > motivation to avoid playing guitar. Atheism is being taught in public > schools by teachers who are taught to teach atheism in colleges, by > college professors who are taught to teach atheism by other college > professors, who are taught to teach atheism by Europeans, who are > taught to teach atheism by evil spirits. Well, actually, the evil > spirits are involved in the entire process. Without support, this is just a paranoid rant. Enjoy not stamp collecting though, it's a good hobby.
From: BuddyThunder on 27 Jun 2008 21:37 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 21, 4:32 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 20, 4:01 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> time, you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and >>>>>>>>>>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and >>>>>>>>>>>> we'll point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on >>>>>>>>>>>> our inability to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? >>>>>>>>>>>> Pray for us...otherwise..tough... >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> �Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the >>>>>>>>>>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is >>>>>>>>>>>> it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position >>>>>>>>>>>> that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because >>>>>>>>>>>> conscience tells one it is right.� >>>>>>>>>>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own >>>>>>>>>>> praying. Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does >>>>>>>>>> something... >>>>>>>>> Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what >>>>>>>>> this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was >>>>>>>>> pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. >>>>>>>>> Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the >>>>>>>>> world. >>>>>>>> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your >>>>>>>> beliefs and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a >>>>>>>> ridiculous aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted >>>>>>>> text - >>>>>>> So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? >>>>>>> If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> Can you name those schools? It which specific class would that be >>>>>> taught? What is an atheist school and how is it designated, by some type >>>>>> of charter or corporate document? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Later, >>>>>> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >>>>>> Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com >>>>>> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> All public education in the United States is now atheistic. >>>> Here, let me try again. You didn't seem to answer the questions, probably >>>> because the format was too difficult for you. Let me try to simplify >>>> things. >>>> Question one: Can you name those schools? >>>> Your answer to this question goes here (hint: list of names of specific >>>> schools): >>>> Question two: In which specific class would 'Christianity is false' be >>>> taught? >>>> Your answer to question two goes here (hint: list the actual names of the >>>> class and textbooks used that show your statement to be true for those >>>> schools listed in question one): >>>> Question three: What is an atheist school? >>>> Answer to question three goes here (hint: give a fully qualified definition >>>> of atheist school): >>>> Question four: How is it designated? >>>> Answer to question number four goes here (hint: how does an atheist school >>>> delineate itself from any other type of school): >>>> Question five: Do you gather this information and tell it is an atheist >>>> school from its charter or incorporation papers? >>>> Answer to question five goes here (hint: please give the exact document you >>>> used as issued by named schools to prove they are atheist schools): >>>> If these questions are still too difficult for you, let me know and I will >>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and >>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend >>>> and then answer them. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like >> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > teach atheism. Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing crickets>
From: BuddyThunder on 27 Jun 2008 21:38 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 22, 12:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 21, 5:07 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not want His children to die and just cease to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see today >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna monk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you ask? Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer might be obvious? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to >>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the question. Go ahead and say whatever you were going to >>>>>>>>>>>>> say. Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 >>>>>>>>>>>> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology >>>>>>>>>>>> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of? I know the >>>>>>>>>>>> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Later, >>>>>>>>>>>> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion. I am >>>>>>>>>> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be >>>>>>>>>> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. >>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to answer the question? Is it because it has >>>>>>>>>> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy >>>>>>>>>> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others >>>>>>>>>> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? >>>>>>>> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and >>>>>>>> I will ask him. I'll also send him a list of your more insane >>>>>>>> postings. >>>>>>>>> I told you athiests >>>>>>>>> before that I was not going to be your researcher. >>>>>>>> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an >>>>>>>> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS >>>>>>>> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk? That is a person opinion. Or do >>>>>>>> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question >>>>>>>> so you can't copy and paste it? >>>>>>>>> If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the >>>>>>>>> missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. >>>>>>>> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself? Why are you having so >>>>>>>> many problems answering an easy question? What are you afraid of? >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid >>>>>>> contention with other churches. So if you have some bone to pick with >>>>>>> the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> Why are you avoiding the question? Why is it so difficult for you to >>>>>> answer the question? It is a simple one. Whom do you think knows more >>>>>> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of >>>>>> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of. >>>>>> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the >>>>>> question. Why are you avoiding it? >>>>> I am not avoiding it. You said the answer is obvious, so obviously, >>>>> you already know the answer. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> I know the answer to the question. I do not know what YOUR answer to the >>>> question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct question. >>>> Why is that? I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is. >>>> -- >>> Well, just write to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an >>> official answer from the church. Anything I could tell you would only >>> be my own opinion. >> Anything they tell us would only be theirs.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, so you are going to make up something then and attribute it to > us. We have seen this before. I'm not sure where this claim comes from, can you tell me?
From: rbwinn on 27 Jun 2008 21:42 On Jun 27, 7:29�am, "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > >Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's > >tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before > >that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not > >mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say > >whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about > >Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for > >this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some > >history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They > >would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, > >that the Bible is nothing but mythology. > > Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it > is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from > other > ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. > > Chris Right, so we have another atheist saying that tour giudes in Jerusalem are taking tourists through solid rock because the digging of Hezekiah's tunnel was described in three different books of the Old Testament, meaning that the tunnel cannot exist because the accounts of Hezekiah's tunnel being dug prove nothing. Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 27 Jun 2008 21:42
Jack wrote: >> I am upset by *people* who >> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try to impose >> their >> beliefs on me using the Bible as evidence. > > How can someone impose a belief on you? Just believe whatever you want to > believe. The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. |