Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 02:37 On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and > >>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend > >>>> and then answer them. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. > >> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like > >> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > > teach atheism. > > Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing > crickets>- Hide quoted text - > Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. If someone prayed in school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 02:38 On Jun 27, 6:38 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 22, 12:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 21, 5:07 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec > >>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not want His children to die and just cease to be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see today > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life.. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna monk> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you ask? Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer might be obvious? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the question.  Go ahead and say whatever you were going to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> say. Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 > >>>>>>>>>>>> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology > >>>>>>>>>>>> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of?  I know the > >>>>>>>>>>>> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Later, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Darrell Stec    dars...(a)neo.rr.com > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? > >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion.  I am > >>>>>>>>>> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be > >>>>>>>>>> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. > >>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to answer the question?  Is it because it has > >>>>>>>>>> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy > >>>>>>>>>> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others > >>>>>>>>>> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? > >>>>>>>> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and > >>>>>>>> I will ask him.  I'll also send him a list of your more insane > >>>>>>>> postings. > >>>>>>>>> I told you athiests > >>>>>>>>> before that I was not going to be your researcher. > >>>>>>>> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an > >>>>>>>> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS > >>>>>>>> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk?  That is a person opinion.  Or do > >>>>>>>> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question > >>>>>>>> so you can't copy and paste it? > >>>>>>>>> If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the > >>>>>>>>> missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. > >>>>>>>> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself?  Why are you having so > >>>>>>>> many problems answering an easy question?  What are you afraid of? > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>> Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid > >>>>>>> contention with other churches.  So if you have some bone to pick with > >>>>>>> the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> Why are you avoiding the question?  Why is it so difficult for you to > >>>>>> answer the question?  It is a simple one.  Whom do you think knows more > >>>>>> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of > >>>>>> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk?  What are you afraid of. > >>>>>> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the > >>>>>> question.  Why are you avoiding it? > >>>>> I am not avoiding it.  You said the answer is obvious, so obviously, > >>>>> you already know the answer. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> I know the answer to the question.  I do not know what YOUR answer to the > >>>> question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct question. > >>>> Why is that?  I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is. > >>>> -- > >>> Well, just write to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an > >>> official answer from the church.  Anything I could tell you would only > >>> be my own opinion. > >> Anything they tell us would only be theirs.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, so you are going to make up something then and attribute it to > > us.  We have seen this before. > > I'm not sure where this claim comes from, can you tell me?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It came from me. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 02:44 On Jun 27, 6:42�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > Jack wrote: > >> I am upset by *people* who > >> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try �to impose > >> their > >> beliefs on me �using the Bible as evidence. > > > How can someone impose a belief on you? �Just believe whatever you want to > > believe. > > The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. Well, actually they use fables. The apostles Paul said they would be turned to fables in the last days. A fable is a story about animals like the story about monkeys turning into humans. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 02:46 On Jun 27, 6:47 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 22, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 21, 4:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 21, 8:16�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>> "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:6c4ja8F3erpl2U1(a)mid.individual.net... > >>>>>>> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think that > >>>>>>> London doesn't exist right? > >>>>>>> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may come as > >>>>>>> a surprise to them. > >>>>>> Like the esteemed Mr Winn Esq, London councils have no doubt whatsoever > >>>>>> about the existence of London. �At least, that is what they profess when > >>>>>> they send out council tax demands. > >>>>> Taxes.  Well, that is something that should convince some atheists. > >>>>> Taxes are something they will never deny. > >>>> Are taxes evidence that any gods exist?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Taxes are evidence that atheists exist. > >> I'm sure that you believe that. Why should we? > > >> Who needs more evidence that atheists exist? Some supporting evidence > >> for gods would be of more intersest.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, we offered the Bible as evidence, and you said that it was all > > mythology.  Then we said, what about the parts that tell of Hezekiah's > > tunnel and the earthen ramp the Assyrian army built over the city wall > > when they took Lachish? Those can still be seen today.  No, Harry > > Potter left from the train station in London to go to wizard's school, > > so the city of London does not exist. > > But I know a man from London.  He says that Harry Potter does not > > exist.  Atheists do not believe that I know a man from London. > > Tell me how a supporting evidence means anything to an atheist. > > How is the Bible evidence for any gods' existence? > > The reason we're going on about Harry Potter is that it exposes your > standards of Biblical evidence as very, very weak. Did you have some > other point? It wasn't clear to me.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Harry Potter is only a fictional character in a book. Harry Potter does not expose anything. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 02:54
On Jun 27, 6:51 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 26, 4:00�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.c> >>> Have you seen the originals to confirm this? > >>> What language were they in? > >> I don't need to. �If it says something wrong, it was not translated > >> correctly. > >> --------------------------- > >> When you come across two passages that say diametrically opposite things, > >> how do you know which one wasn't translated correctly without going to the > >> originals? If one was incorrectly translated, why not both of them? > > >> Smiler, > > > Well, you would still need to be able to tell right from wrong, which > > atheists claim they cannot do. > > I not only claim that I *can* do that, I can offer a sensible rationale > too independent of mythology too. :-)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, but you seem to reject Hezekiah's tunnel as mythology. So what are you going to tell those poor tourists you have walking through solid rock? Robert b. Winn |