Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 09:59 On Jun 28, 12:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 27, 6:38 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 22, 12:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 21, 5:07 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery..com> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not want His children to die and just cease to be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see today > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna monk> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you ask? Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer might be obvious? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the question.  Go ahead and say whatever you were going to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say. Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of?  I know the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darrell Stec    dars...(a)neo.rr.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion.  I am > >>>>>>>>>>>> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be > >>>>>>>>>>>> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid to answer the question?  Is it because it has > >>>>>>>>>>>> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy > >>>>>>>>>>>> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others > >>>>>>>>>>>> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? > >>>>>>>>>> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and > >>>>>>>>>> I will ask him.  I'll also send him a list of your more insane > >>>>>>>>>> postings. > >>>>>>>>>>> I told you athiests > >>>>>>>>>>> before that I was not going to be your researcher. > >>>>>>>>>> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an > >>>>>>>>>> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS > >>>>>>>>>> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk?  That is a person opinion.  Or do > >>>>>>>>>> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question > >>>>>>>>>> so you can't copy and paste it? > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the > >>>>>>>>>>> missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. > >>>>>>>>>> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself?  Why are you having so > >>>>>>>>>> many problems answering an easy question?  What are you afraid of? > >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>> Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid > >>>>>>>>> contention with other churches.  So if you have some bone to pick with > >>>>>>>>> the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>> Why are you avoiding the question?  Why is it so difficult for you to > >>>>>>>> answer the question?  It is a simple one.  Whom do you think knows more > >>>>>>>> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of > >>>>>>>> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk?  What are you afraid of. > >>>>>>>> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the > >>>>>>>> question.  Why are you avoiding it? > >>>>>>> I am not avoiding it.  You said the answer is obvious, so obviously, > >>>>>>> you already know the answer. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> I know the answer to the question.  I do not know what YOUR answer to the > >>>>>> question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct question. > >>>>>> Why is that?  I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> Well, just write to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an > >>>>> official answer from the church.  Anything I could tell you would only > >>>>> be my own opinion. > >>>> Anything they tell us would only be theirs.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, so you are going to make up something then and attribute it to > >>> us.  We have seen this before. > >> I'm not sure where this claim comes from, can you tell me?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > It came from me. > > Maybe if you could show me where I did that? Why won't you back up > anything you say?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, for instance, I said that Hezekiah's tunnel exists, and you and other atheists claimed that I had said that London, England, does not exist. I did not say a thing about London, England. It all came from atheists. Robert B. Winn
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 10:00 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:47:11 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 27, 9:26�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: .... >> > Well, I was the one who pointed out that the Bible in three books of >> > the Old Testament describes the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. >> > Atheists still do not believe Hezekiah's tunnel exists. >> >> And you think London is a myth.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No, I actually have a friend from London. He says that Harry Potter >does not exist. I think you should actually consider that >possibility. I know this might be difficult for an atheist to do. There is a tunnel called Hezekiah's tunnel. That does not mean that the supposed authors of the Bible ever existed or wrote what was claimed that they wrote or that what was written ever happened. A few random facts in the Bible does not make the Bible true. This has been explained to you, so, it appears to me that you are just being stiff necked in playing your dishonest game. You mock the God you claim to worship with this behavior. Maybe you are just playing Loki.
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 10:01 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:50:12 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 27, 9:31�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: .... >> Is this what you think? >> >> 1. Hezekiah's tunnel is described in the Bible. >> 2. Hezekiah's tunnel really exists. >> 3. Therefore, God exists.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, all three statements are true, but you have them in the wrong >order. Therefore , God exists, should be the first statement. There is absolutely no evidence that God exists, so you are wrong in drawing that conclusion.
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 10:02 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:56:16 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 28, 12:11�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 27, 6:37?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and >> >>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend >> >>>>>> and then answer them. >> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >> >>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like >> >>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to >> >>> teach atheism. >> >> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing >> >> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >> >> > Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. �If someone prayed in >> > school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. >> >> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new >> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the >fatherless in their time of affliction. Why shouldn't widows and >fatherless people be helped at school? They are helped by schooling. Prayer does nothing at all.
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 10:04
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:59:13 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 28, 12:19�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: .... >> > It came from me. >> >> Maybe if you could show me where I did that? Why won't you back up >> anything you say?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, for instance, I said that Hezekiah's tunnel exists, and you and >other atheists claimed that I had said that London, England, does not >exist. I did not say a thing about London, England. It all came from >atheists. You lie to us, once again. Please, don't post another post that contains lies. Learn to be honest. Stop mocking the religion you claim to be part of and stop mocking the God you claim to worship. Your lies are a stench upon the world. |