Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 27 Jun 2008 21:44 On Jun 27, 8:49�am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> wrote: > On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with prior > > > > > > > beliefs. > > > > > > > I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are truth. > > > > > > > If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. > > > > > > > Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Light entertainment. > > > > > Why do you read if you don't comprehend? > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, each to his own. �I never met an atheist yet who did not believe > > > > in Harry Potter. > > > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > > > You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - > > > I have met atheists. �I have never met one who did not think Harry > > Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat > > Christianity. > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - > > You have only met Atheistic children? > Where did you meet them, > and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 27 Jun 2008 21:47 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 22, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 21, 4:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 21, 8:16�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:6c4ja8F3erpl2U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think that >>>>>>> London doesn't exist right? >>>>>>> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may come as >>>>>>> a surprise to them. >>>>>> Like the esteemed Mr Winn Esq, London councils have no doubt whatsoever >>>>>> about the existence of London. �At least, that is what they profess when >>>>>> they send out council tax demands. >>>>> Taxes. Well, that is something that should convince some atheists. >>>>> Taxes are something they will never deny. >>>> Are taxes evidence that any gods exist?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Taxes are evidence that atheists exist. >> I'm sure that you believe that. Why should we? >> >> Who needs more evidence that atheists exist? Some supporting evidence >> for gods would be of more intersest.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, we offered the Bible as evidence, and you said that it was all > mythology. Then we said, what about the parts that tell of Hezekiah's > tunnel and the earthen ramp the Assyrian army built over the city wall > when they took Lachish? Those can still be seen today. No, Harry > Potter left from the train station in London to go to wizard's school, > so the city of London does not exist. > But I know a man from London. He says that Harry Potter does not > exist. Atheists do not believe that I know a man from London. > Tell me how a supporting evidence means anything to an atheist. How is the Bible evidence for any gods' existence? The reason we're going on about Harry Potter is that it exposes your standards of Biblical evidence as very, very weak. Did you have some other point? It wasn't clear to me.
From: rbwinn on 27 Jun 2008 21:47 On Jun 27, 9:04 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Jun 27, 8:37�am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > > teach atheism. > > > Robert B. Winn- > > As a former public school teacher, I am in a really, really good > position to tell you that you are an absolute, bald-faced liar, in > addition to being a barking mad looney.  Seriously, dude, you need > professional help. So how did you get a teaching job if you did not go to college? Robert B. Winn
From: Steve O on 27 Jun 2008 21:48 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:5664c3ae-e810-44ed-8e53-46b9e135bfab(a)c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 27, 7:29�am, "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >> >tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >> >that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >> >mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >> >whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >> >Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >> >this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >> >history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >> >would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >> >that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >> >> Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it >> is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from >> other >> ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. >> >> Chris > > Right, so we have another atheist saying that tour giudes in Jerusalem > are taking tourists through solid rock because the digging of > Hezekiah's tunnel was described in three different books of the Old > Testament, meaning that the tunnel cannot exist because the accounts > of Hezekiah's tunnel being dug prove nothing. > Robert B. Winn Would you please stop being such a deliberate fuckwit? Being a fuckwit is ok, but doing it deliberately is inexcusable. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: BuddyThunder on 27 Jun 2008 21:53
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 22, 1:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the Assyrian >>>>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. �What part of it do you claim is >>>>>>>>>>> fiction? �So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's >>>>>>>>>>> tunnel. �Are you still claiming that those are fiction? >>>>>>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? >>>>>>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. Have you >>>>>>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I would >>>>>>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't have a >>>>>>>>>> reason to decide at this point. >>>>>>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! >>>>>>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion about >>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to try >>>>>>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. >>>>>>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. >>>>>>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be >>>>>>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be >>>>>>> seen. So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. >>>>>> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have >>>>>> consistently denied that London exists too. >>>>>> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about Harry >>>>>> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> No reason to talk about Harry Potter. There never was. >>>> Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or earthern >>>> ramps either. I agree with you. :-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> You said you wanted to talk about the Bible. So now are you saying >>> that you only want to discuss the parts of the Bible that you select? >> I don't remember saying that, maybe if you could point me to the post? I >> don't remember selecting the topic of discussion either, you brought up >> Hezekiah's tunnel and invading army ramps. Discuss what you like Robert, >> we might even find some common ground!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, actions speak louder than words. You do not want to discuss > Hezekiah's tunnel. You do not want to discuss the earthen ramp. You > will discuss certain verses of the Bible you can find fault with. I'm just following where the conversation takes me. If you would like to discuss something specific then raise it. |