Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 27 Jun 2008 22:23 On Jun 27, 6:17�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:2612b88d-8906-4340-beae-1823b6ea0d69(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 22, 1:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>> <snip> > > >>>>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the > > >>>>>>>>> Assyrian > > >>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. ?What part of it do you claim is > > >>>>>>>>> fiction? ?So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and > > >>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's > > >>>>>>>>> tunnel. ?Are you still claiming that those are fiction? > > >>>>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? > > >>>>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. > > >>>>>>>> Have you > > >>>>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I > > >>>>>>>> would > > >>>>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't > > >>>>>>>> have a > > >>>>>>>> reason to decide at this point. > > >>>>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! > > >>>>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion > > >>>>>>> about > > >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to > > >>>>>>> try > > >>>>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. > > >>>>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. > > >>>>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be > > >>>>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be > > >>>>> seen. So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. > > >>>> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have > > >>>> consistently denied that London exists too. > > >>>> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about > > >>>> Harry > > >>>> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>> No reason to talk about Harry Potter. There never was. > > >> Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or earthern > > >> ramps either. I agree with you. :-)- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > You said you wanted to talk about the Bible. So now are you saying > > > that you only want to discuss the parts of the Bible that you select? > > > I don't remember saying that, maybe if you could point me to the post? I > > don't remember selecting the topic of discussion either, you brought up > > Hezekiah's tunnel and invading army ramps. Discuss what you like Robert, > > we might even find some common ground!- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, actions speak louder than words. �You do not want to discuss > Hezekiah's tunnel. �You do not want to discuss the earthen ramp. �You > will discuss certain verses of the Bible you can find fault with. > ---------------------------------------- > That would be most of them. > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So what fault did you find with the verses that describe the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel? Robert B. Winn
From: tt on 27 Jun 2008 22:57 On Jun 27, 10:06 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 27, 5:58�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Jack" <furgfurgf...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >news:f8GdnUtAK5PIcPnVnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d(a)posted.echolabs... > > > >> I am upset by *people* who > > >> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try �to impose > > >> their > > >> beliefs on me �using the Bible as evidence. > > > > How can someone impose a belief on you? �Just believe whatever you want to > > > believe. > > > Did you not notice the word "try" in there? > > Aren't those who knock on my door trying to impose their beliefs on me? > > Aren't those who demand creationism/ID are taught in science classes trying > > to impose their beliefs on children? > > Aren't those who are trying to turn the US into a theocracy trying to impose > > their beliefs on all US citizens? > > Don't parents, who indoctrinate their children with their own religion, try > > to impose their beliefs on their children? > > > Smiler, > > The godless one > > a.a.# 2279 > > Don't atheists try to impose atheism on everyone?  So everyone is > trying to impose.  Well, let's see who is the best at imposing, an > imposing constest, as it were. > Actually, imposing is a false teaching.  Christianity teaches free > agency. > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There's nothing 'free' taught in christianity, you either pay with your soul or your intelligence..either way...christianity is the ultimate submission to a fable...
From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 00:22 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 27, 8:49�am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> > wrote: >> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> > >>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with prior >>>>>>>> beliefs. >>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are truth. >>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. >>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> Light entertainment. >>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Well, each to his own. �I never met an atheist yet who did not believe >>>>> in Harry Potter. >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - >>> I have met atheists. �I have never met one who did not think Harry >>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat >>> Christianity. >>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - >>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - >> You have only met Atheistic children? >> Where did you meet them, >> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Atheists do not normally have children. If they are going to have > children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only > met adult atheists. They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter. Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking for small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their gods, then we eat them too. You're priceless!
From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 00:31 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 27, 6:17�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:2612b88d-8906-4340-beae-1823b6ea0d69(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> On Jun 22, 1:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the >>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian >>>>>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. ?What part of it do you claim is >>>>>>>>>>>> fiction? ?So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and >>>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's >>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel. ?Are you still claiming that those are fiction? >>>>>>>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. >>>>>>>>>>> Have you >>>>>>>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I >>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> reason to decide at this point. >>>>>>>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! >>>>>>>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to >>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. >>>>>>>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. >>>>>>>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be >>>>>>>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be >>>>>>>> seen. So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. >>>>>>> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have >>>>>>> consistently denied that London exists too. >>>>>>> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about >>>>>>> Harry >>>>>>> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> No reason to talk about Harry Potter. There never was. >>>>> Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or earthern >>>>> ramps either. I agree with you. :-)- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> You said you wanted to talk about the Bible. So now are you saying >>>> that you only want to discuss the parts of the Bible that you select? >>> I don't remember saying that, maybe if you could point me to the post? I >>> don't remember selecting the topic of discussion either, you brought up >>> Hezekiah's tunnel and invading army ramps. Discuss what you like Robert, >>> we might even find some common ground!- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> Well, actions speak louder than words. �You do not want to discuss >> Hezekiah's tunnel. �You do not want to discuss the earthen ramp. �You >> will discuss certain verses of the Bible you can find fault with. >> ---------------------------------------- >> That would be most of them. >> >> Smiler, >> The godless one >> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > So what fault did you find with the verses that describe the > construction of Hezekiah's tunnel? Is this what you think? 1. Hezekiah's tunnel is described in the Bible. 2. Hezekiah's tunnel really exists. 3. Therefore, God exists.
From: BuddyThunder on 28 Jun 2008 00:36
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 27, 7:29�am, "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >> Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it >> is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from >> other >> ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing. >> >> Chris > > Right, so we have another atheist saying that tour giudes in Jerusalem > are taking tourists through solid rock because the digging of > Hezekiah's tunnel was described in three different books of the Old > Testament, meaning that the tunnel cannot exist because the accounts > of Hezekiah's tunnel being dug prove nothing. And another London-denier strikes! |