Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: mizlee on 28 Jun 2008 09:36 On Jun 27, 9:47 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 27, 9:04 am, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 27, 8:37�am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > > > teach atheism. > > > > Robert B. Winn- > > > As a former public school teacher, I am in a really, really good > > position to tell you that you are an absolute, bald-faced liar, in > > addition to being a barking mad looney.  Seriously, dude, you need > > professional help. > > So how did you get a teaching job if you did not go to college? > Robert B. Winn As a matter of fact, you lying whackjob, I have gone to three colleges, and have degrees from all of them. And you are still an absolute, bald-faced-liar, in addition to being a barking mad looney. But, by all means, keep posting. The more that rational people are exposed to those of your deluded ilk, the more they are turned off by religion. It really is no coincidence, you know, that young people in particular are rejecting religion in droves, especially christianity, and over all, people who self describe themselves as having no religion have doubled in the last ten years. The PEW Forum puts the unaffiliated at 16%, the largest since the American Revolution; they are increasingly disgusted with the baggage of religion - intolerance, bigotry, hatred, self-righteousness, anti-abortion, anti stem-cell research, anti-everything-progressive - and are now the second-largest "religious" group in the country. Keep it up, you are a perfect representative of everything that is evil in this country.
From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 09:44 On Jun 27, 9:22 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 27, 8:49�am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline..nl> > > wrote: > >> On 26 jun, 03:13, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Reading comprehension (for most of us) has nothing to do with prior > >>>>>>>> beliefs. > >>>>>>>> I can comprehend many books that I don't happen to believe are truth. > >>>>>>>> If I had ever read any, Harry Potter books would be good examples. > >>>>>>> Whjy would you read a Harry Potter book if you comprehended it? > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> Light entertainment. > >>>>>> Why do you read if you don't comprehend? > >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> Well, each to his own. �I never met an atheist yet who did not believe > >>>>> in Harry Potter. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > >>>> You mean to say you never met an atheist?- Hide quoted text - > >>> I have met atheists. �I have never met one who did not think Harry > >>> Potter was some kind of superhero who was going to defeat > >>> Christianity. > >>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > >>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - > >> You have only met Atheistic children? > >> Where did you meet them, > >> and why didn't you meet there parents?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Atheists do not normally have children.  If they are going to have > > children, they usually kill them before they are born, so I have only > > met adult atheists.  They are the ones who believe in Harry Potter.. > > Yeah, then we eat the foetus. Then we prowl the neighbourhood looking > for small Christian children. Then we torture them into renouncing their > gods, then we eat them too. You're priceless!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, these things that you are doing are sins. You should try to stop doing them. Robert B. Winn
From: Free Lunch on 28 Jun 2008 09:45 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:25:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jun 27, 7:57�pm, "t...(a)noburn.net" <tom.te...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 10:06�pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 27, 5:58?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> >> > > "Jack" <furgfurgf...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> > >news:f8GdnUtAK5PIcPnVnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d(a)posted.echolabs... >> >> > > >> I am upset by *people* who >> > > >> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> > > >> their >> > > >> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >> > > > How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> > > > believe. >> >> > > Did you not notice the word "try" in there? >> > > Aren't those who knock on my door trying to impose their beliefs on me? >> > > Aren't those who demand creationism/ID are taught in science classes trying >> > > to impose their beliefs on children? >> > > Aren't those who are trying to turn the US into a theocracy trying to impose >> > > their beliefs on all US citizens? >> > > Don't parents, who indoctrinate their children with their own religion, try >> > > to impose their beliefs on their children? >> >> > > Smiler, >> > > The godless one >> > > a.a.# 2279 >> >> > Don't atheists try to impose atheism on everyone? �So everyone is >> > trying to impose. �Well, let's see who is the best at imposing, an >> > imposing constest, as it were. >> > Actually, imposing is a false teaching. �Christianity teaches free >> > agency. >> > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> � �There's nothing 'free' taught in christianity, you either pay with >> your soul or your intelligence..either way...christianity is the >> ultimate submission to a fable...- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, atheists are as free as anyone else to consider the evidence and >decide what they believe. The fact that they made the wrong choice is >a problem for them, but what they need to realize is that the >principle of repentance is just as available to them as it is to >anyone else. You are condescending and delusional. You mock the moral teachings of the church body you claim to be a member of.
From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 09:50 On Jun 27, 9:31 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 27, 6:17�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:2612b88d-8906-4340-beae-1823b6ea0d69(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com.... > >> On Jun 22, 1:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>> On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>> On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> <snip> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the > >>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian > >>>>>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. ?What part of it do you claim is > >>>>>>>>>>>> fiction? ?So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's > >>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel. ?Are you still claiming that those are fiction? > >>>>>>>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. > >>>>>>>>>>> Have you > >>>>>>>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I > >>>>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't > >>>>>>>>>>> have a > >>>>>>>>>>> reason to decide at this point. > >>>>>>>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! > >>>>>>>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion > >>>>>>>>>> about > >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to > >>>>>>>>>> try > >>>>>>>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. > >>>>>>>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. > >>>>>>>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be > >>>>>>>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be > >>>>>>>> seen. So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. > >>>>>>> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have > >>>>>>> consistently denied that London exists too. > >>>>>>> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about > >>>>>>> Harry > >>>>>>> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>> No reason to talk about Harry Potter. There never was. > >>>>> Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or earthern > >>>>> ramps either. I agree with you. :-)- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>> You said you wanted to talk about the Bible. So now are you saying > >>>> that you only want to discuss the parts of the Bible that you select? > >>> I don't remember saying that, maybe if you could point me to the post? I > >>> don't remember selecting the topic of discussion either, you brought up > >>> Hezekiah's tunnel and invading army ramps. Discuss what you like Robert, > >>> we might even find some common ground!- Hide quoted text - > >>> - Show quoted text - > >> Well, actions speak louder than words. �You do not want to discuss > >> Hezekiah's tunnel. �You do not want to discuss the earthen ramp. �You > >> will discuss certain verses of the Bible you can find fault with. > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> That would be most of them. > > >> Smiler, > >> The godless one > >> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > So what fault did you find with the verses that describe the > > construction of Hezekiah's tunnel? > > Is this what you think? > > 1. Hezekiah's tunnel is described in the Bible. > 2. Hezekiah's tunnel really exists. > 3. Therefore, God exists.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, all three statements are true, but you have them in the wrong order. Therefore , God exists, should be the first statement. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 28 Jun 2008 09:56
On Jun 28, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and > >>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend > >>>>>> and then answer them. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. > >>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. Sounding like > >>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in college to > >>> teach atheism. > >> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that claim? <chirpiing > >> crickets>- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, yes it is explicit in their contract.  If someone prayed in > > school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. > > I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn something new > every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at school?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow and the fatherless in their time of affliction. Why shouldn't widows and fatherless people be helped at school? Robert B. Winn |