Gravity is a property of mass - not a property of space !!
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From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 08:23 On Jul 13, 2:06 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 4:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 12, 10:19 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 5:59 pm, mp > > > > ================================ > > > i will tell you what is the problem with your theory ... > > > the problem is that > > > TO TELL HALF OF THE TRUTH > > > IS TO CHEAT !!:: > > > > your sea wave or pool wave metaphor is cheating!! deceiving !! > > > space is not like a see or an ocean > > > of water !! > > > a see of water has on its edges- > > > BOUNDARIES (AGAIN - BOUNDARIES )) > > > our space has no boundaries on its edges > > > you dont have the' Dover cliffs' on its edges > > > those Dover cliffs are (listen carefully) > > > are pushing back your 'waves > > > that are coming back and forth from it > > > in our space you > > > **just dont have it *!! > > > a much better metaphor to describe your situation in space is > > > listen carefully) > > > is to pure water from a space craft!! > > > if you do it - what will happen to your water that you poured from > > > that > > > space craft ?? > > > > it will disperse and got lost in the endless universe !! > > > (provided that it will not be caught > > > by another field of gravity!! > > > > so it is the field of gravity **that makes the gravity** -- not > > > space ) > > > > REAL EMPTY SPACE HAS NO FIELDS OF GRAVITY !! > > > > on the other hand -- > > > **MASS* HAS FIELD OF GRAVITY ** > > > > so the field of gravity can be such > > > why ?? > > > > i keep that question open at this moment > > > because > > > SPOON FEEDING IS NOT APPRECIATED !!! > > > > it will be answered only later > > > not by your water ripples or waves metaphor !! > > > > TIA > > > Y.Porat > > > ------------------------- > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > -------------- > that is your private interpretation !! > Private interpretation? You do realize I am quoting an article from NASA? 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." > where do you see a rock boundary?? > Matter and dark matter are different states of the same material. Where does the melting ice cube end and the water begin? > iow > where do you see those 'Dover cliffs' there > > Hoooop i forgot > > my interpretation is that the are there billions of witches on > brooms that repel back with thier brooms > all dark matter backwards to form a rings like shape > > all those billions of witched with brooms > have a Master Witch with a big pointed hat > that is ordering all the others with a megaphone > to line up in a circle with a radius of 2 light years!! > > how about my explanation > what is yours better than mine ?? > 2 My explanation is supported by the evidence. There is physical evidence of the dark matter ripple caused by the collision of the galaxy clusters. This is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > what you saw is a momentary temporary situation > so > WHAT DO YOU OR OTHERS KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS A FEW DAYS LATER ?? > > or a few years later ??? > OR A FEW MILLION YEARS LATER > 3 > how do you know about what is that > ring composed of > ie > WHAT are ALL ITS COMPONENTS ?? > The material the ripple is a displacement of has mass. You can label it whatever you want. Call it dark matter. Call it aether. Call it quintessence. It doesn't matter. There is a material which has mass and fills otherwise 'empty' space. It is displaced by matter.
From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 08:41 On Jul 13, 2:06 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > how do you know about what is that > ring composed of > ie > WHAT are ALL ITS COMPONENTS ?? > There is no reason to believe dark matter is not a 'one something'. Stating 'what are the components' of dark matter is short sighted. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity Albert Einstein' http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html "Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else with the help of small floats, for instance we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics if, in fact, nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium." Einstein might as well have been discussing dark matter. Dark matter is aether with mass.
From: Y.Porat on 13 Jul 2010 09:44 On Jul 13, 2:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 2:06 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 4:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 10:19 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:59 pm, mp > > > > > ================================ > > > > i will tell you what is the problem with your theory ... > > > > the problem is that > > > > TO TELL HALF OF THE TRUTH > > > > IS TO CHEAT !!:: > > > > > your sea wave or pool wave metaphor is cheating!! deceiving !! > > > > space is not like a see or an ocean > > > > of water !! > > > > a see of water has on its edges- > > > > BOUNDARIES (AGAIN - BOUNDARIES )) > > > > our space has no boundaries on its edges > > > > you dont have the' Dover cliffs' on its edges > > > > those Dover cliffs are (listen carefully) > > > > are pushing back your 'waves > > > > that are coming back and forth from it > > > > in our space you > > > > **just dont have it *!! > > > > a much better metaphor to describe your situation in space is > > > > listen carefully) > > > > is to pure water from a space craft!! > > > > if you do it - what will happen to your water that you poured from > > > > that > > > > space craft ?? > > > > > it will disperse and got lost in the endless universe !! > > > > (provided that it will not be caught > > > > by another field of gravity!! > > > > > so it is the field of gravity **that makes the gravity** -- not > > > > space ) > > > > > REAL EMPTY SPACE HAS NO FIELDS OF GRAVITY !! > > > > > on the other hand -- > > > > **MASS* HAS FIELD OF GRAVITY ** > > > > > so the field of gravity can be such > > > > why ?? > > > > > i keep that question open at this moment > > > > because > > > > SPOON FEEDING IS NOT APPRECIATED !!! > > > > > it will be answered only later > > > > not by your water ripples or waves metaphor !! > > > > > TIA > > > > Y.Porat > > > > ------------------------- > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > water." > > > -------------- > > that is your private interpretation !! > > Private interpretation? You do realize I am quoting an article from > NASA? > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > > where do you see a rock boundary?? > > Matter and dark matter are different states of the same material. > > Where does the melting ice cube end and the water begin? > > > > > iow > > where do you see those 'Dover cliffs' there > > > Hoooop i forgot > > > my interpretation is that the are there billions of witches on > > brooms that repel back with thier brooms > > all dark matter backwards to form a rings like shape > > > all those billions of witched with brooms > > have a Master Witch with a big pointed hat > > that is ordering all the others with a megaphone > > to line up in a circle with a radius of 2 light years!! > > > how about my explanation > > what is yours better than mine ?? > > 2 > > My explanation is supported by the evidence. There is physical > evidence of the dark matter ripple caused by the collision of the > galaxy clusters. This is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > what you saw is a momentary temporary situation > > so > > WHAT DO YOU OR OTHERS KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS A FEW DAYS LATER ?? > > > or a few years later ??? > > OR A FEW MILLION YEARS LATER > > 3 > > how do you know about what is that > > ring composed of > > ie > > WHAT are ALL ITS COMPONENTS ?? > > The material the ripple is a displacement of has mass. You can label > it whatever you want. Call it dark matter. Call it aether. Call it > quintessence. It doesn't matter. There is a material which has mass > and fills otherwise 'empty' space. It is displaced by matter. -------------------- you (or others) still do not explain why all that dark matter from galaxy collision do not disperse immediately **and endlessly always to the outwards direction ***-- and get lost in the endless universe (by diluting itself more and more ) you have to understand had it been that **the density of dark matter was always constant every where ***- ('come what come may')-- ----that dark matter would** not ** explode and move from the point of collision ---- outwards !!! iow it can be only if there is different in densities-- in different locations of the universe !!! and once it moves outwards the volume it occupy become bigger and density smaller so what prevents that to happen ?? TIA Y.Porat ------------------- 2 is that dark matter massive or not TIA Y.Porat ------------------
From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 10:05 On Jul 13, 9:44 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 2:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 2:06 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 4:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 10:19 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:59 pm, mp > > > > > > ================================ > > > > > i will tell you what is the problem with your theory .... > > > > > the problem is that > > > > > TO TELL HALF OF THE TRUTH > > > > > IS TO CHEAT !!:: > > > > > > your sea wave or pool wave metaphor is cheating!! deceiving !! > > > > > space is not like a see or an ocean > > > > > of water !! > > > > > a see of water has on its edges- > > > > > BOUNDARIES (AGAIN - BOUNDARIES )) > > > > > our space has no boundaries on its edges > > > > > you dont have the' Dover cliffs' on its edges > > > > > those Dover cliffs are (listen carefully) > > > > > are pushing back your 'waves > > > > > that are coming back and forth from it > > > > > in our space you > > > > > **just dont have it *!! > > > > > a much better metaphor to describe your situation in space is > > > > > listen carefully) > > > > > is to pure water from a space craft!! > > > > > if you do it - what will happen to your water that you poured from > > > > > that > > > > > space craft ?? > > > > > > it will disperse and got lost in the endless universe !! > > > > > (provided that it will not be caught > > > > > by another field of gravity!! > > > > > > so it is the field of gravity **that makes the gravity** -- not > > > > > space ) > > > > > > REAL EMPTY SPACE HAS NO FIELDS OF GRAVITY !! > > > > > > on the other hand -- > > > > > **MASS* HAS FIELD OF GRAVITY ** > > > > > > so the field of gravity can be such > > > > > why ?? > > > > > > i keep that question open at this moment > > > > > because > > > > > SPOON FEEDING IS NOT APPRECIATED !!! > > > > > > it will be answered only later > > > > > not by your water ripples or waves metaphor !! > > > > > > TIA > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > water." > > > > -------------- > > > that is your private interpretation !! > > > Private interpretation? You do realize I am quoting an article from > > NASA? > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > > where do you see a rock boundary?? > > > Matter and dark matter are different states of the same material. > > > Where does the melting ice cube end and the water begin? > > > > iow > > > where do you see those 'Dover cliffs' there > > > > Hoooop i forgot > > > > my interpretation is that the are there billions of witches on > > > brooms that repel back with thier brooms > > > all dark matter backwards to form a rings like shape > > > > all those billions of witched with brooms > > > have a Master Witch with a big pointed hat > > > that is ordering all the others with a megaphone > > > to line up in a circle with a radius of 2 light years!! > > > > how about my explanation > > > what is yours better than mine ?? > > > 2 > > > My explanation is supported by the evidence. There is physical > > evidence of the dark matter ripple caused by the collision of the > > galaxy clusters. This is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > what you saw is a momentary temporary situation > > > so > > > WHAT DO YOU OR OTHERS KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS A FEW DAYS LATER ?? > > > > or a few years later ??? > > > OR A FEW MILLION YEARS LATER > > > 3 > > > how do you know about what is that > > > ring composed of > > > ie > > > WHAT are ALL ITS COMPONENTS ?? > > > The material the ripple is a displacement of has mass. You can label > > it whatever you want. Call it dark matter. Call it aether. Call it > > quintessence. It doesn't matter. There is a material which has mass > > and fills otherwise 'empty' space. It is displaced by matter. > > -------------------- > you (or others) still do not explain > why all that dark matter from > galaxy collision > do not disperse immediately > **and endlessly always to the outwards direction ***-- and get lost > in the endless universe > (by diluting itself more and more ) > you have to understand > had it been that **the density of dark matter was always constant > every where ***- > ('come what come may')-- > ----that dark matter would** not ** > explode and move from the point of collision ---- > outwards !!! > iow > it can be only if there is different in densities-- in different > locations > of the universe !!! > and once it moves outwards > the volume it occupy become bigger > and density smaller > so > what prevents that to happen ?? > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "So, too, the background galaxies behind the ring show coherent changes in their shapes due to the presence of the dense ring." > TIA > Y.Porat > ------------------- > 2 > is that dark matter massive or not > > TIA > Y.Porat > ------------------ Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The material has mass.
From: PD on 13 Jul 2010 12:53
On Jul 13, 2:38 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > with matter and energy. > > > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !! > > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense > > > curved space time > > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle > > > emitted from big masses > > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !! > > > the Circlon is a basic particle > > > that > > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths > > > naturallt mease it is a premise > > > ie > > > it does not move in a curved pass > > > because 'some forces make it move like that but = > > > but it moves in a curved path > > > 'because it was 'born' like that > > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces > > > iow > > > it is a premis > > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis* > > > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent > > > because it moves in a **straight lines** > > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the > > > conservation of Momentum principle > > > (the momentum has direction ...!!) > > > 2 > > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z > > > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER > > > PARTICLE !!! > > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics'' > > > is filled with > > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!! > > > (mainly fucken mathematicians > > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!) > > > > Y.Porat > > > -------------------------------------- > > Bravo > you make some advance > even if inspired by me (:-) There is no recent advance here. I've just told you what's been understood since 1915, and which you would be able to find for yourself just by reading a book. > > now > i have a little question for you PD > > if you say 'an interaction' > so it is an interaction between > two physical entities Yes, between matter and spacetime. > yet i order to understand that INTERACTION between those 2 > entities > we have to know to scratch > the properties of those two actors > am i right ??? > if so > whqt are the properties of that > mysterious space that can > curve a motion that would otherwise > move in a straight line I've already listed properties in another post for you. Did you read that? > 2 > for example > out earth moved in a circle around the sun > and all that happens in space > now > **if that sun was not there** > our earth move in a strigfgt line isn t that so ?? > so ??? > what made our earth to move i a circle > is it space ??? > or is it the - > sun > and earths masses ?? The sun affects the curvature of spacetime in the vicinity of the Earth (and everywhere else), and the Earth responds to the curvature of spacetime where it is at. The same is true vice-versa. This is all very basic stuff. You should be very familiar with it. > 2 > if we have jsut one mass in space > what is its interaction with space ?? > > 3 > if we have only two masses in space > but the distance between the two mass > --is a very very big big distance > (between those two masses) > what is the **interaction** > (inter **....). action) > between > those two mass --->- > ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!! > > TIA > Y.Porat > --------------------- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |