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From: BURT on 13 Jul 2010 15:35 On Jul 12, 6:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 9:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:42 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > > > > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > > > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > > > > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > > > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > > > > big noise. > > > > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > > > > two completely different explanations. > > > > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > > > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > > > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > > > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > > > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > > > > PD > > > > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. > > > > Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? > > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > > vibrations." > > > 'Wave'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_wave#Traveling_waves > > > "A wave is a disturbance that propagates (travels) through space and > > time, usually by transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave > > that propagates through a medium due to restoring forces produced upon > > its deformation. For example, sound waves propagate via air molecules > > bumping into their neighbors." > > > The disturbance is a displacement of the medium the wave propagates > > through. The particles bump into their neighbors because they are > > displaced. > > > > OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm > > > but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a > > > college degree? > > > > "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. > > > "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional > > > point..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* > > > whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really > > > applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th > > > grade science. > > > When you said the dark matter ripple is analogous to a sound wave you > > were correct. A sound wave is a vibration caused by the displacement > > of particles. The dark matter ripple is caused by the displacement of > > dark matter by matter. > > > The following is evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > vibrations." > > Pressure also correctly describes the change in state of the dark > matter. When dark matter is displaced by matter the dark matter exerts > pressure towards the matter. > > Pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter is gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Flowing energy point indicates an inward flowing space push. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 19:35 On Jul 13, 12:53 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 2:38 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !! > > > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense > > > > curved space time > > > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle > > > > emitted from big masses > > > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !! > > > > the Circlon is a basic particle > > > > that > > > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths > > > > naturallt mease it is a premise > > > > ie > > > > it does not move in a curved pass > > > > because 'some forces make it move like that but = > > > > but it moves in a curved path > > > > 'because it was 'born' like that > > > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces > > > > iow > > > > it is a premis > > > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis* > > > > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent > > > > because it moves in a **straight lines** > > > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the > > > > conservation of Momentum principle > > > > (the momentum has direction ...!!) > > > > 2 > > > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z > > > > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER > > > > PARTICLE !!! > > > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics'' > > > > is filled with > > > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!! > > > > (mainly fucken mathematicians > > > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!) > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > Bravo > > you make some advance > > even if inspired by me (:-) > > There is no recent advance here. I've just told you what's been > understood since 1915, and which you would be able to find for > yourself just by reading a book. > > > > > now > > i have a little question for you PD > > > if you say 'an interaction' > > so it is an interaction between > > two physical entities > > Yes, between matter and spacetime. > > > yet i order to understand that INTERACTION between those 2 > > entities > > we have to know to scratch > > the properties of those two actors > > am i right ??? > > if so > > whqt are the properties of that > > mysterious space that can > > curve a motion that would otherwise > > move in a straight line > > I've already listed properties in another post for you. Did you read > that? > > > 2 > > for example > > out earth moved in a circle around the sun > > and all that happens in space > > now > > **if that sun was not there** > > our earth move in a strigfgt line isn t that so ?? > > so ??? > > what made our earth to move i a circle > > is it space ??? > > or is it the - > > sun > > and earths masses ?? > > The sun affects the curvature of spacetime in the vicinity of the > Earth (and everywhere else), and the Earth responds to the curvature > of spacetime where it is at. The same is true vice-versa. > The sun displaces dark matter and the Earth responds to the displacement of dark matter where it is at. The same is true vice- versa. The dark matter is not at rest when displaced and displaces back. The displacing back is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the Earth and the sun. The pressure exerted by displaced dark matter is gravity. > This is all very basic stuff. You should be very familiar with it. > > > 2 > > if we have jsut one mass in space > > what is its interaction with space ?? > > > 3 > > if we have only two masses in space > > but the distance between the two mass > > --is a very very big big distance > > (between those two masses) > > what is the **interaction** > > (inter **....). action) > > between > > those two mass --->- > > ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!! > > > TIA > > Y.Porat > > --------------------- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > >
From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 19:38 On Jul 13, 3:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 6:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 9:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 6:42 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > > > > > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > > > > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > > > > > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > > > > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > > > > > big noise. > > > > > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > > > > > two completely different explanations. > > > > > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > > > > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > > > > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > > > > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > > > > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. > > > > > Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? > > > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > > > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > > > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > > > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > > > vibrations." > > > > 'Wave'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_wave#Traveling_waves > > > > "A wave is a disturbance that propagates (travels) through space and > > > time, usually by transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave > > > that propagates through a medium due to restoring forces produced upon > > > its deformation. For example, sound waves propagate via air molecules > > > bumping into their neighbors." > > > > The disturbance is a displacement of the medium the wave propagates > > > through. The particles bump into their neighbors because they are > > > displaced. > > > > > OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm > > > > but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a > > > > college degree? > > > > > "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. > > > > "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional > > > > point..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* > > > > whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really > > > > applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th > > > > grade science. > > > > When you said the dark matter ripple is analogous to a sound wave you > > > were correct. A sound wave is a vibration caused by the displacement > > > of particles. The dark matter ripple is caused by the displacement of > > > dark matter by matter. > > > > The following is evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > > vibrations." > > > Pressure also correctly describes the change in state of the dark > > matter. When dark matter is displaced by matter the dark matter exerts > > pressure towards the matter. > > > Pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter is gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Flowing energy point indicates an inward flowing space push. > > Mitch Raemsch You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. Evidence of dark matter displacement: 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes back out." "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The ripple occurs because the boats displace water. The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constant http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background geometrical space" What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter in nearby regions towards the matter. Space does not flow into the Earth. Matter displaces dark matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
From: BURT on 13 Jul 2010 19:43 On Jul 13, 4:38 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 3:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 9:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:42 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > > > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > > > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > > > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring.. > > > > > > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > > > > > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > > > > > > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > > > > > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > > > > > > big noise. > > > > > > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > > > > > > two completely different explanations. > > > > > > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > > > > > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > > > > > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > > > > > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > > > > > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. > > > > > > Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? > > > > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > > > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > > > > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > > > > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > > > > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > > > > vibrations." > > > > > 'Wave'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_wave#Traveling_waves > > > > > "A wave is a disturbance that propagates (travels) through space and > > > > time, usually by transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave > > > > that propagates through a medium due to restoring forces produced upon > > > > its deformation. For example, sound waves propagate via air molecules > > > > bumping into their neighbors." > > > > > The disturbance is a displacement of the medium the wave propagates > > > > through. The particles bump into their neighbors because they are > > > > displaced. > > > > > > OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm > > > > > but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a > > > > > college degree? > > > > > > "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional > > > > > point..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > > I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* > > > > > whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really > > > > > applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th > > > > > grade science. > > > > > When you said the dark matter ripple is analogous to a sound wave you > > > > were correct. A sound wave is a vibration caused by the displacement > > > > of particles. The dark matter ripple is caused by the displacement of > > > > dark matter by matter. > > > > > The following is evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > > > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > > > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > > > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > > > vibrations." > > > > Pressure also correctly describes the change in state of the dark > > > matter. When dark matter is displaced by matter the dark matter exerts > > > pressure towards the matter. > > > > Pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter is gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Flowing energy point indicates an inward flowing space push. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > back out." > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > Matter displaces dark matter. > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You have no superior concept. Flow is the real thing. Even energy flows with space and time over it. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 19:53
On Jul 13, 7:43 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 4:38 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 3:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 6:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 9:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:42 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction.. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > > > > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > > > > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > > > > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > > > > > > > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > > > > > > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > > > > > > > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > > > > > > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > > > > > > > big noise. > > > > > > > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > > > > > > > two completely different explanations. > > > > > > > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > > > > > > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > > > > > > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > > > > > > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > > > > > > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. > > > > > > > Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? > > > > > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > > > > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > > > > > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > > > > > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > > > > > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > > > > > vibrations." > > > > > > 'Wave'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_wave#Traveling_waves > > > > > > "A wave is a disturbance that propagates (travels) through space and > > > > > time, usually by transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave > > > > > that propagates through a medium due to restoring forces produced upon > > > > > its deformation. For example, sound waves propagate via air molecules > > > > > bumping into their neighbors." > > > > > > The disturbance is a displacement of the medium the wave propagates > > > > > through. The particles bump into their neighbors because they are > > > > > displaced. > > > > > > > OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm > > > > > > but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a > > > > > > college degree? > > > > > > > "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > > "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional > > > > > > point..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > > > I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* > > > > > > whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really > > > > > > applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th > > > > > > grade science. > > > > > > When you said the dark matter ripple is analogous to a sound wave you > > > > > were correct. A sound wave is a vibration caused by the displacement > > > > > of particles. The dark matter ripple is caused by the displacement of > > > > > dark matter by matter. > > > > > > The following is evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > > > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > > > > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > > > > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > > > > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > > > > vibrations." > > > > > Pressure also correctly describes the change in state of the dark > > > > matter. When dark matter is displaced by matter the dark matter exerts > > > > pressure towards the matter. > > > > > Pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter is gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Flowing energy point indicates an inward flowing space push. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > back out." > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You have no superior concept. Flow is the real thing. > > Even energy flows with space and time over it. > > Mitch Raemsch You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. Matter displaces dark matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. Evidence of dark matter displacement: 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes back out." "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The ripple occurs because the boats displace water. The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constant http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background geometrical space" What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter in nearby regions towards the matter. |