Hackers Catch Prove Global Warming Fraud
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From: Sam Wormley on 29 Nov 2009 01:42 TUKA wrote: > On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >> TUKA wrote: >>> On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>>> TUKA wrote: >>>>> On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>>>>> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:30:36 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Marvin--You need to start taking global climate change seriously. >>>>>>> I do. I want to see criminal penalties for the frauds lied and said that >>>>>>> it was warming when the earth was cooling. This is a trillion dollar >>>>>>> scam. Perhaps put them on trial for high treason. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You don't give a rip about scientific integrity nor about your country. >>>>>> For some reason, you seem to believe that all climate data has >>>>>> been doctored. In reality very little, if any has been "doctored". >>>>>> You have yet to show a before and after "doctored" data set. >>>>>> >>>>>> The global data CLEARLY shows: >>>>>> >>>>>> Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2 >>>>>> http://edu-observatory.org/olli/800000yrs_CO2.png >>>>>> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106 >>>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091023163513.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase >>>>>> http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif >>>>>> >>>>>> And accompanying Sea Level Rise >>>>>> http://www.wildwildweather.com/forecastblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/700px-recent_sea_level_rise.png >>>>>> >>>>>> There are many sources of good data, Marvin >>>>>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/ >>>>>> http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php >>>>> Lies. They won't show the raw data. >>>>> >>>> As any fool can see, you are wrong. >>> Oh yeah? Just give the URL where it can be found. >>> >>> No, cooked data from NOAA doesn't count. Raw data only. All of it. >>> Including the station listings that supposedly provide the final data. >>> They won't provide it, and are being sued for it. >>> >>> And HADCRU? Oh yeah, they just in the past few hours admitted they >>> destroyed it all. All raw data from 1988 and before, gone. >> Cite evidence. >> > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece > > and > > http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/24/climate-gate-development-cei-f > What the science says: CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, Sea Level increase are all consistent with each other. The global data (a lot more than you claim doctored) CLEARLY shows: Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2 http://edu-observatory.org/olli/800000yrs_CO2.png http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091023163513.htm Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif And accompanying Sea Level Rise http://www.wildwildweather.com/forecastblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/700px-recent_sea_level_rise.png There are many sources of good data http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/ http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php
From: Sam Wormley on 29 Nov 2009 01:46 TUKA wrote: > On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:10:24 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: >>> >>>> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:30:36 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Marvin--You need to start taking global climate change seriously. >>>>> I do. I want to see criminal penalties for the frauds lied and said >>>>> that it was warming when the earth was cooling. This is a trillion >>>>> dollar scam. Perhaps put them on trial for high treason. >>>>> >>>>> You don't give a rip about scientific integrity nor about your country. >>>> For some reason, you seem to believe that all climate data has been >>>> doctored. In reality very little, if any has been "doctored". You >>>> have yet to show a before and after "doctored" data set. >>> You got a case of stupids that can't be cured. >>> >>> What part of "Jones' was telling the other frauds how to doctor their >>> data" did you NOT understand? >> Cite your documentation. > > Sorry, bud. It's all over the news. Can't help if you don't read it. > > Your heroes are lying scumbags. Now *you* are the denier -- get it? > Not my heros, but, CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, Sea Level increase are all consistent with each other. You'll enjoy this TUKA: http://hfranzen.org/ http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf
From: TUKA on 29 Nov 2009 02:02 On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > TUKA wrote: >> On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>> TUKA wrote: >>>> On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>>>> TUKA wrote: >>>>>> On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:30:36 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey Marvin--You need to start taking global climate change seriously. >>>>>>>> I do. I want to see criminal penalties for the frauds lied and said that >>>>>>>> it was warming when the earth was cooling. This is a trillion dollar >>>>>>>> scam. Perhaps put them on trial for high treason. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You don't give a rip about scientific integrity nor about your country. >>>>>>> For some reason, you seem to believe that all climate data has >>>>>>> been doctored. In reality very little, if any has been "doctored". >>>>>>> You have yet to show a before and after "doctored" data set. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The global data CLEARLY shows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2 >>>>>>> http://edu-observatory.org/olli/800000yrs_CO2.png >>>>>>> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106 >>>>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091023163513.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase >>>>>>> http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And accompanying Sea Level Rise >>>>>>> http://www.wildwildweather.com/forecastblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/700px-recent_sea_level_rise.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many sources of good data, Marvin >>>>>>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/ >>>>>>> http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php >>>>>> Lies. They won't show the raw data. >>>>>> >>>>> As any fool can see, you are wrong. >>>> Oh yeah? Just give the URL where it can be found. >>>> >>>> No, cooked data from NOAA doesn't count. Raw data only. All of it. >>>> Including the station listings that supposedly provide the final data. >>>> They won't provide it, and are being sued for it. >>>> >>>> And HADCRU? Oh yeah, they just in the past few hours admitted they >>>> destroyed it all. All raw data from 1988 and before, gone. >>> Cite evidence. >>> >> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece >> >> and >> >> http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/24/climate-gate-development-cei-f >> > > What the science says: CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, > Sea Level increase are all consistent with each other. Correlation is not causation, or haven't you heard? Oh that's right, you think consensus is science. Silly me, I thought you had heard of the scientific method. > > > The global data (a lot more than you claim doctored) CLEARLY shows: No. Now YOU have to show the data. The data you are citing traces its roots to that which has been cooked. -- There's nothing sweeter than life nor more precious than time. -- Barney
From: TUKA on 29 Nov 2009 02:03 On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > TUKA wrote: >> On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:10:24 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:30:36 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Marvin--You need to start taking global climate change seriously. >>>>>> I do. I want to see criminal penalties for the frauds lied and said >>>>>> that it was warming when the earth was cooling. This is a trillion >>>>>> dollar scam. Perhaps put them on trial for high treason. >>>>>> >>>>>> You don't give a rip about scientific integrity nor about your country. >>>>> For some reason, you seem to believe that all climate data has been >>>>> doctored. In reality very little, if any has been "doctored". You >>>>> have yet to show a before and after "doctored" data set. >>>> You got a case of stupids that can't be cured. >>>> >>>> What part of "Jones' was telling the other frauds how to doctor their >>>> data" did you NOT understand? >>> Cite your documentation. >> >> Sorry, bud. It's all over the news. Can't help if you don't read it. >> >> Your heroes are lying scumbags. Now *you* are the denier -- get it? >> > > Not my heros, but, CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, > Sea Level increase are all consistent with each other. You simply don't understand, do you. 1) There is plenty of evidence that global warming has been occurring recently. 2) There is ample evidence that carbon emissions causes warming and that the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide is increasing. 3) But there is *no* evidence that carbon dioxide emissions are the *main* cause of the recent global warming. And now there isn't even evidence of how much warming there really is. -- There's nothing sweeter than life nor more precious than time. -- Barney
From: Sam Wormley on 29 Nov 2009 02:09
TUKA wrote: > > Sorry, bud. It's all over the news. Can't help if you don't read it. > > Your heroes are lying scumbags. Now *you* are the denier -- get it? > Hacked climate emails called a "smear campaign" http://www.reuters.com/article/internal_ReutersNewsRoom_BehindTheScenes_MOLT/idUSTRE5AO4TW20091125 Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:54pm EST Email | Print | Share | Reprints | Single Page [-] Text [+] Featured Broker sponsored link by Stacy Feldman, SolveClimate solveclimate.com/ (SolveClimate) Three leading scientists who on Tuesday released a report documenting the accelerating pace of climate change said the scandal that erupted last week over hacked emails from climate scientists is nothing more than a "smear campaign" aimed at sabotaging December climate talks in Copenhagen. "We're facing an effort by special interests who are trying to confuse the public," said Richard Somerville, Distinguished Professor Emeritus at Scripps Institution of Oceanography and a lead author of the UN IPCC Fourth Assessment Report. Dissenters see action to slow global warming as "a threat," he said. The comments were made in a conference call for reporters. The scientistsâSomerville, Michael Mann of Penn State and Eric Steig of University of Washingtonâwere supposed to be discussing their new report, the Copenhagen Diagnosis, a dismal update of the UN IPCC's 2007 climate data by 26 scientists from eight nations. Instead they spent much of the time diffusing the hacker controversy, known in the media as "Climate Gate." The scandal began on November 20, when an unknown hacker stole at least 169 megabytes of emails from computers at the prominent Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia and put them online for the world to see. CRU is considered one of the world's leading institutions concerned with human-caused global warming. The leaked emails contain private correspondence on climate science dating back to 1996. Skeptics of global warming say these messages are filled with evidence of manipulated data from lead authors of the UN's highly influential IPCC reports. more: http://www.reuters.com/article/internal_ReutersNewsRoom_BehindTheScenes_MOLT/idUSTRE5AO4TW20091125 |