From: Sam Wormley on 29 Nov 2009 02:38 Marvin the Martian wrote: > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:19:28 -0800, tunderbar wrote: > >> On Nov 28, 9:22 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > >> idiot > > True enough. Mr. Wormley has some logical impairment. > > The subject is how Hackers found smoking gun evidence that the AGW > climate researchers doctored the data to show warming when there was > cooling. P.D. Jones himself says in an e-mail that the raw data shows > cooling and he used a "trick" to make it show warming. > > Wormley keeps repeating their now discredited data as some sort of excuse > for doctoring that very same data. It would be a funny mistake if it > happened once, but it has happened several times now. > > Nor has Wormley said that doctoring data, boycotting journals to get them > to publish only ONE view, doing biased peer review, slandering and > defaming anyone who disagrees with them, and threatening physical > violence to those who disagrees is in any way counter to the scientific > method and the spirit of true and honest scientific inquiry. Too Late -- Climate change: How global warming is having an impact http://www.spacedaily.com/2006/091129012207.wdrqeoz7.html PARIS, Nov 29 (AFP) Nov 29, 2009 From cautiously advising that man-made, heat-trapping carbon gases would disrupt Earth's climate system, mainstream scientists are increasingly convinced that the first signs of change are already here. Following are the main indicators, reported in the scientific press over past three years: RISING SEAS: Sea levels have risen in tandem with global warming, according to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The global average sea level has risen since 1961 at an average rate of 1.8mm (0.07 inches) per year, but accelerated from 1991 to 3.1mm (0.12 inches) per year. The IPCC estimated sea levels would rise 18-59 centimetres (7.2-23.2 inches) by 2100. But added runoff from melting land ice is accelerating. According to Germany's Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), the global sea level is likely to rise at least twice as much as projected. If emissions are not curbed, "it may well exceed one metre (3.25 feet)." SHRINKING GLACIERS: Mountain glaciers and snow cover in both hemispheres have widely retreated in the past few decades. One of the most closely-observed sites, the Cook glacier on the southern Indian Ocean island of Kerguelen, has shrunk by a fifth in 40 years. Around 1.3 billion people depend on the water that flows down from Himalayan glaciers, which in some places are falling back at up to 70 metres (230 feet) per year. The snows capping Mount Kilimanjaro, Africa's tallest peak, could vanish entirely in 20 years, US experts reported this month. SHIFTING SEASONS: Some species of birds and fish are shifting habitat in response to warmer temperatures. The range of 105 bird species in France moved north, on average, 91 kilometres (56.5 miles) from 1989 to 2006. Average temperatures, however, shifted northward 273 kilometres (170 miles) over the same period, nearly three times farther. Twenty-one out of 36 species of fish in the North Sea migrated northwards between 1962 and 2001 in search of cooler waters. Anecdotal evidence from commercial fishermen says once-exotic species of fish from warmer latitudes now inhabit southern British waters. OCEAN ACIDIFICATION: The acidity of the seas is rising as oceans absorb more carbon dioxide (CO2), with an impact on coral and micro-organisms, marine biologists say. Since the start of the Industrial Revolution, the protective calcium shell of amoeba-like organisms living in the Southern Ocean called foraminifera, a vital link in the food chain, has fallen in weight by a third. "Within decades," acidification could severely affect biodiversity and fisheries, 150 marine scientists jointly warned last January. ARCTIC ICE: The Greenland ice sheet has lost 1,500 billion tonnes of ice since 2000, contributing 0.75 mm (0.03 inch) annually to sea levels, according to a study published this month. In 2009, the Arctic summer sea ice pack thawed to its third smallest size on record, confirming a shrinkage trend seen over the past 30 years. Some experts believe the Arctic ice cap will disappear completely in summer months within 20 to 30 years. ANTARCTIC WARMING: The Antarctic peninsula has warmed by 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees Fahrenheit) in the last 50 years, around six times the global average. In the past 20 years, Antarctica has lost seven ice shelves -- huge floating ledges of ice, attached to the shore, that are fed by glaciers. PERMAFROST RETREAT: Emissions of the potent greenhouse gas methane were found to be soaring at sites investigated in 2006 by University of Alaska scientists at lakes in northern Siberia. The reason is thawing of the permafrost, causing the warmed soil to release gas that had been stored for thousands of years. Billions of tonnes of methane, which comes from natural sources such as decomposing vegetation and marshland, are stored in the frozen lands of Siberia, Canada and Alaska. CHANGED PRECIPITATION: Patterns of rainfall or snowfall increased "significantly" from 1900-2005 in eastern parts of North and South America, northern Europe and northern and central Asia but declined in the Sahel, southern Africa and parts of southern Asia, says the IPCC. "Globally, the area affected by drought has likely increased since the 1970s," it adds. STORMS: A mooted link between climate change and extreme events has little scientific consensus. A 2008 study by the Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre at University College London found that warmer seas accounted for 40 percent of a large increase (from six a year to eight a year) in the number of Atlantic hurricanes from 1996-2005. Other scientists say it is hard to say whether a drought, flood or cyclone is part of the longer trend which is climate change or simply just a one-off event, or series of them. SOURCES: IPCC 4th Assessment Report (2007); Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Center (Australia); Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK); Nature; Science; Nature Geoscience; Laboratory for Studying Geophysics and Space Oceanography (France); French National Museum of Natural History; Pen Hadow Arctic expedition; US National Snow and Ice Data Center; British Antarctic Survey (BAS); University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
From: Marvin the Martian on 29 Nov 2009 10:03 On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:29:19 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: > TUKA wrote: >> On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>> TUKA wrote: >>>> We do -- the cooking of the books is a serious crime. The >>>> perpetrators should be tried. Seriously. >>>> >>> <laughing> >> >> Any laughing going on is at you. You re claiming "the global data >> shows", and there is none. >> >> > We differ. Damned right. TUKA is sane and outraged at scientific fraud to scam the world. You're not sane and you support the fraud.
From: TUKA on 29 Nov 2009 10:06 On 2009-11-29, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > Marvin the Martian wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:19:28 -0800, tunderbar wrote: >> >>> On Nov 28, 9:22 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >> >>> idiot >> >> True enough. Mr. Wormley has some logical impairment. >> >> The subject is how Hackers found smoking gun evidence that the AGW >> climate researchers doctored the data to show warming when there was >> cooling. P.D. Jones himself says in an e-mail that the raw data shows >> cooling and he used a "trick" to make it show warming. >> >> Wormley keeps repeating their now discredited data as some sort of excuse >> for doctoring that very same data. It would be a funny mistake if it >> happened once, but it has happened several times now. >> >> Nor has Wormley said that doctoring data, boycotting journals to get them >> to publish only ONE view, doing biased peer review, slandering and >> defaming anyone who disagrees with them, and threatening physical >> violence to those who disagrees is in any way counter to the scientific >> method and the spirit of true and honest scientific inquiry. > > > Too Late -- Climate change: How global warming is having an impact > http://www.spacedaily.com/2006/091129012207.wdrqeoz7.html > Utter BS., and four year old BS at that. > > SOURCES: IPCC 4th Assessment Report (2007); Don't you understand? Anything with that as a source is dead, dead, dead. > Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative > Research Center (Australia); Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK); Nature; > Science; Nature Geoscience; Laboratory for Studying Geophysics and Space Oceanography > (France); French National Museum of Natural History; Pen Hadow Arctic expedition; Pen Hadow? Splorff! -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. -- Mark Twain
From: Robert Higgins on 29 Nov 2009 10:06 On Nov 29, 2:38 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > Marvin the Martian wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:19:28 -0800, tunderbar wrote: > > >> On Nov 28, 9:22 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > >> idiot > > > True enough. Mr. Wormley has some logical impairment. > > > The subject is how Hackers found smoking gun evidence that the AGW > > climate researchers doctored the data to show warming when there was > > cooling. P.D. Jones himself says in an e-mail that the raw data shows > > cooling and he used a "trick" to make it show warming. > > > Wormley keeps repeating their now discredited data as some sort of excuse > > for doctoring that very same data. It would be a funny mistake if it > > happened once, but it has happened several times now. > > > Nor has Wormley said that doctoring data, boycotting journals to get them > > to publish only ONE view, doing biased peer review, slandering and > > defaming anyone who disagrees with them, and threatening physical > > violence to those who disagrees is in any way counter to the scientific > > method and the spirit of true and honest scientific inquiry. > > Too Late -- Climate change: How global warming is having an impact > http://www.spacedaily.com/2006/091129012207.wdrqeoz7.html > > PARIS, Nov 29 (AFP) Nov 29, 2009 > From cautiously advising that man-made, heat-trapping carbon gases would disrupt Earth's "cautiously advising"? Are you kidding? How about hysterical predictions of 12 FOOT sea level rise! > climate system, mainstream scientists are increasingly convinced that the first signs of > change are already here. They are so "convinced" that they scheme on how to withhold release of the raw data and models on which they base all their estimates. They also hysterically oppose nuclear power - the only power source with a reasonable chance of averting this "catastrophe" without iposing a grater economic catastrophe. > Following are the main indicators, reported in the scientific press over past three years: > > RISING SEAS: Sea levels have risen in tandem with global warming, according to the UN's > Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The global average sea level has risen > since 1961 at an average rate of 1.8mm (0.07 inches) per year, but accelerated from 1991 > to 3.1mm (0.12 inches) per year. The IPCC estimated sea levels would rise 18-59 > centimetres (7.2-23.2 inches) by 2100. But added runoff from melting land ice is > accelerating. According to Germany's Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), > the global sea level is likely to rise at least twice as much as projected. If emissions > are not curbed, "it may well exceed one metre (3.25 feet)." The IPCC is the same organization that was prediction a TWELVE FOT sea level rise... then it was "Oops", we meant twelve INCHES". FOr a prediction that is such "settled science" to be off by an order of magnitude does not inspire confidence. > > SHRINKING GLACIERS: Mountain glaciers and snow cover in both hemispheres have widely > retreated in the past few decades. One of the most closely-observed sites, the Cook > glacier on the southern Indian Ocean island of Kerguelen, has shrunk by a fifth in 40 > years. Around 1.3 billion people depend on the water that flows down from Himalayan > glaciers, which in some places are falling back at up to 70 metres (230 feet) per year. > The snows capping Mount Kilimanjaro, Africa's tallest peak, could vanish entirely in 20 > years, US experts reported this month. Big deal - glaciers have been retreating since the last ice age. > > SHIFTING SEASONS: Some species of birds and fish are shifting habitat in response to > warmer temperatures. The range of 105 bird species in France moved north, on average, 91 > kilometres (56.5 miles) from 1989 to 2006. Average temperatures, however, shifted > northward 273 kilometres (170 miles) over the same period, nearly three times farther. > Twenty-one out of 36 species of fish in the North Sea migrated northwards between 1962 and > 2001 in search of cooler waters. Anecdotal evidence from commercial fishermen says > once-exotic species of fish from warmer latitudes now inhabit southern British waters. So, all the species are shifting their habits in response to the warming that HASN'T OCCURED in the last decade. Since global temps have not increased in a decade, why are all the birds changing their habits? Do they subscribe to the New York Times and the Washington Post? > > OCEAN ACIDIFICATION: The acidity of the seas is rising as oceans absorb more carbon > dioxide (CO2), with an impact on coral and micro-organisms, marine biologists say. Since > the start of the Industrial Revolution, the protective calcium shell of amoeba-like > organisms living in the Southern Ocean called foraminifera, a vital link in the food > chain, has fallen in weight by a third. "Within decades," acidification could severely > affect biodiversity and fisheries, 150 marine scientists jointly warned last January. This badly undercuts your argument. Supposedly, the pH is dropping because of increased absorption of CO2. That is possible when the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere increases (Henry's Law). But temperature increase in the water should DECREASE the solubility of CO2 (Hadley's Law). The fact the oceans are acting as such an effect CO2 sink is encouraging, not discouraging. The scientists also don;t bother to point out what the actual pH of the oceans is, how quickly it is changing, the confidence intervals for any poarticualr measurement, and its buffering capacity. > > ARCTIC ICE: The Greenland ice sheet has lost 1,500 billion tonnes of ice since 2000, > contributing 0.75 mm (0.03 inch) annually to sea levels, according to a study published > this month. In 2009, the Arctic summer sea ice pack thawed to its third smallest size on > record, confirming a shrinkage trend seen over the past 30 years. Some experts believe the > Arctic ice cap will disappear completely in summer months within 20 to 30 years. That is probably why environmentalists visiting the Artic got STUCK in unexpected ice. The same has happened in the Antarctic to a Russian cruise ship. > > ANTARCTIC WARMING: The Antarctic peninsula has warmed by 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees > Fahrenheit) in the last 50 years, around six times the global average. In the past 20 > years, Antarctica has lost seven ice shelves -- huge floating ledges of ice, attached to > the shore, that are fed by glaciers. Do the IPCC models explain WHY Antarctica is warming 6x FASTER than the global average? > > PERMAFROST RETREAT: Emissions of the potent greenhouse gas methane were found to be > soaring at sites investigated in 2006 by University of Alaska scientists at lakes in > northern Siberia. The reason is thawing of the permafrost, causing the warmed soil to > release gas that had been stored for thousands of years. Billions of tonnes of methane, > which comes from natural sources such as decomposing vegetation and marshland, are stored > in the frozen lands of Siberia, Canada and Alaska. > > CHANGED PRECIPITATION: Patterns of rainfall or snowfall increased "significantly" from > 1900-2005 in eastern parts of North and South America, northern Europe and northern and > central Asia but declined in the Sahel, southern Africa and parts of southern Asia, says > the IPCC. "Globally, the area affected by drought has likely increased since the 1970s," > it adds. More bs predictions of hurricanes, when hurricanes have been known for a very long time to follow cyclic patterns. > > STORMS: A mooted link between climate change and extreme events has little scientific > consensus. A 2008 study by the Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre at University College > London found that warmer seas accounted for 40 percent of a large increase (from six a > year to eight a year) in the number of Atlantic hurricanes from 1996-2005.. Other > scientists say it is hard to say whether a drought, flood or cyclone is part of the longer > trend which is climate change or simply just a one-off event, or series of them. The "other scientists" are correct. What happened to all the nasty hurricanes that were predicted for this year? OOPS! > > SOURCES: IPCC 4th Assessment Report (2007); Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative > Research Center (Australia); Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK); Nature; > Science; Nature Geoscience; Laboratory for Studying Geophysics and Space Oceanography > (France); French National Museum of Natural History; Pen Hadow Arctic expedition; US > National Snow and Ice Data Center; British Antarctic Survey (BAS); University of Alaska at > Fairbanks. It isn't so much the hacked emails that are important - some of the modelling code was posted. Computer Programmers report that the code is poorly documented and filled with "Fudge factors" that aren't explained. I got to see a presentation of the development of a computer model to explain ice cores from Antarctica. It was filled with so many (untenable) assumptions as to be completely meaningless. Yet the Left wants to destroy the world economy to "Save" the world from "Climate change" based on this drivel.
From: columbiaaccidentinvestigation on 29 Nov 2009 10:22
On Nov 28, 9:50 pm, Marvin the Martian <mar...(a)ontomars.org> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:30:36 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote: > > Hey Marvin--You need to start taking global climate change seriously. > > I do. I want to see criminal penalties for the frauds lied and said that > it was warming when the earth was cooling. This is a trillion dollar > scam. Perhaps put them on trial for high treason. > > You don't give a rip about scientific integrity nor about your country. and what about cyber crime? |