From: Woody on
On 26/03/2010 10:37, Duncan Kennedy wrote:
> In message <813gkjFi3iU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Woody
> <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> writes
>> On 26/03/2010 10:16, Peter Ceresole wrote:

>> The problem is not flash per se, it is badly written flash, which
>> sadly is not uncommon.
>>
> Now I would agree with that. I generally don't have a problem with Flash
> on anything if it is written properly. My original Asus Netbook (Atom
> processor / 1 GB RAM) runs most sites happily.
>
> I'm surprised so many Mac users are worried about Flash security! ;-)

Very few people are worried about security. That is why 90% of email is
spam sent from bot networks.


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Woody
From: Geoff Berrow on
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:16:13 +0000, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter
Ceresole) wrote:

>I *think* there's a misunderstanding here. It seems to me that Geoff was
>saying that his PC fans don't change speed *when he uses Flash*. Which
>implies that Flash on PCs is more efficient, or more optimised, than on
>the Mac.
>
>But I may be wrong, and I'm sure he'll be along himself to set us
>straight as to what he meant.

I love Macs, I don't want to get into a PC vs Mac argument but I've
turned off the old noisy box and just have my new PC running. It's
quite quiet.

OK, I've got three iplayer windows open and three flash sites. Got my
processor up to 60 - 80% but still can't hear any difference in fan
speed.

Maybe the processor fan is changing, but I can't hear it.
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From: Woody on
On 26/03/2010 10:44, Chris Ridd wrote:
> On 2010-03-26 10:09:19 +0000, Woody said:
>
>> On 26/03/2010 10:01, Chris Ridd wrote:
>>> It seems like a waste of money to me to produce two versions of the same
>>> website.
>>
>> Its their money.
>
> Yes, but it's *my* money that they want and if I can't use their site
> because of the way they did it...

But you can, they produced two sites, so one probably works for you!

>> Mind you, not always a waste of money doing another version. I was
>> doing a phone accessible version of my shop. Ideally I should be able
>> to do the same by a clever use of CSS, but it turns out it is easier
>> to write a version for the iPhone (or other phone) that works in a
>> different way.
>
> No doubt, but that will depend entirely on how your site is constructed.
> Something generated from some base data can be easily (heh) transformed
> into another HTML format.

Well, it is just a shop so effectively it is a wrapper around a database
and there are a number of classes that handle accounts, addresses,
shopping carts etc.
The website does work on a phone just fine, but it is not the optimal
experience. The graphics are bigger than they need to be, the buttons
are smaller than would be optimal on an iPhone, the bit where you select
the number of items is inconvenient with the way the iPhone does drop
down menus.

So I have got a copy of iWebKit which is a good kicking off point, and
then done a few walkthroughs and mockups of how you actually want to buy
things ideally from the phone, and it is actually quite different than a
desktop. I have made a new smaller group of images for the main
products, changed bit where you decide how many products you want to a
function of adding to the cart (which is now a separate page, rather
than just an add).

>
> Maybe their Flash files are all automatically updated by something.

Unlikely, probably they just do it twice

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Woody
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:52:33 +0000, Geoff Berrow
<blthecat(a)ckdog.co.uk> wrote:

>OK, I've got three iplayer windows open and three flash sites. Got my
>processor up to 60 - 80% but still can't hear any difference in fan
>speed.
>
>Maybe the processor fan is changing, but I can't hear it.

Might just be locked at one speed - see my comments about BIOSes and
drivers earlier.

And in passing - one of the big differences in Flash across Mac and
Windows, specifically for iPlayer and other h.264 applications, is
that Windows lets Flash use any hardware decoder for h.264 that the
graphics card might supply.

Upshot is that running an iPlayer that takes 50% CPU on the Mac might
take 1% CPU and 5% GPU on a PC.

OSX doesn't give third-party browser plugins access to hardware.

Cheers - Jaimie
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From: Peter Ceresole on
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> Upshot is that running an iPlayer that takes 50% CPU on the Mac might
> take 1% CPU and 5% GPU on a PC.
>
> OSX doesn't give third-party browser plugins access to hardware.

That was what I thought might be happening- although with no idea of the
specifics, of course.
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Peter