From: Woody on
deano <d.heighington(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 25 Mar, 18:14, pe...(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
> > Adrian Tuddenham <adr...(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > > 2) I don't like Flash because....
> >
> > > Do what I do and use a browser that doesn't have the capability to
> > > display it.
> >
> > Wrong approach, I think.
> >
> > Use a browser that can display Flash, but it you don't want to see Flash
> > movies then use a plugin that either blocks Flash entirely, or allows
> > you to stop them playing until you okay them.
> >
> > Your approach is deliberately limiting, I think excessively so. Of
> > course it's your choice, but the alternative I'm suggesting gives you
> > more capabilities if you need them, at no cost.
> > --
> > Peter
>
> Wow... all that hatred of Flash and nothing but text based websites...
> it still exists?
> Flash is a tool, if it works and is right for the message delivery and
> the targeted audience... use it!

As I said, flash is great for some things (games etc) where there is
nothing that does what it does.

For adverts there are blockers for it, so it is not so bad in that. If
adobe had put some effort into security it would be a bit better.

> Back to my OP... the tools (apart from flash) used to create the
> animation are... ?

What other tools would there be apart from flash?

Well, something to make some of the individual graphics, but you can use
anything for that.


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From: Adrian Tuddenham on
deano <d.heighington(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 25 Mar, 18:14, pe...(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
> > Adrian Tuddenham <adr...(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > > 2) I don't like Flash because....
> >
> > > Do what I do and use a browser that doesn't have the capability to
> > > display it.
> >
> > Wrong approach, I think.
> >
> > Use a browser that can display Flash, but it you don't want to see Flash
> > movies then use a plugin that either blocks Flash entirely, or allows
> > you to stop them playing until you okay them.

I can't think of any occasion when I would want to see Flash on a
website. Very occasionally there are things that can be best explained
by animation, but an optional animated GIF seems to cover that.

> > Your approach is deliberately limiting, I think excessively so. Of
> > course it's your choice, but the alternative I'm suggesting gives you
> > more capabilities if you need them, at no cost.
> > --
> > Peter
>
> Wow... all that hatred of Flash and nothing but text based websites...
> it still exists?

Yes. Some people still use the Web to get information, not to have
unwanted 'entertainment' thrust upon them.

It's not a hatred of Flash per se. it's a hatred of Flash being foist
upon the user when it's neither needed nor wanted.

> Flash is a tool, if it works and is right for the message delivery and
> the targeted audience... use it!

....and if it doesn't - don't!

Perhaps you can afford to lose a few customers; but if you can't, the
website needs to work both with and without Flash.


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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Adrian Tuddenham <adrian(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Duncan Kennedy <no-spam(a)nospam.otterson-bg.couk> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > :-) I agree but it seems Steve Jobs doesn't and quite a few people here
> > > have expressed dislike of Flash an a preference for the yet to be widely
> > > accepted HTML5 for some reason.
> >
> > 1) I don't care what The Steve thinks about anything.
> >
> > 2) I don't like Flash because....
>
> Do what I do and use a browser that doesn't have the capability to
> display it. If you come across a website that doesn't work without it,
> stuff that website and its products and go to another supplier.

I use Firefox with the Flashblock extension (and some other controls for
other annoying intrusions).

Flash doesn't play here unless I give the word.

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
deano <d.heighington(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

> (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
> > Adrian Tuddenham <adr...(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > > 2) I don't like Flash because....
> >
> > > Do what I do and use a browser that doesn't have the capability to
> > > display it.
> >
> > Wrong approach, I think.
> >
> > Use a browser that can display Flash, but it you don't want to see Flash
> > movies then use a plugin that either blocks Flash entirely, or allows
> > you to stop them playing until you okay them.
> >
> > Your approach is deliberately limiting, I think excessively so. Of
> > course it's your choice, but the alternative I'm suggesting gives you
> > more capabilities if you need them, at no cost.
> > --
> > Peter
>
> Wow... all that hatred of Flash and nothing but text based websites...
> it still exists?

Wow! All that totally invented bollocks! Of course it still exists...
By which I mean your totally invented bollocks.

No hatred, sonny boy, no hatred. Just a calm grown-up technical
decision made by a calm grown-up technical person on calm grown-up
technical grounds, that's Adrian's decision.

Adrian doesn't do Flash, that's all (so it seems...). Blocking Flash
does not mean you're a hair-shirt type only using Lynx and refusing to
eschew plain text.

btw, Adrian's own Website is a multimedia affair - I've recently
downloaded some of the media files he has available.

[snip]

Rowland.

P.S. This is *NOT* me leaping to Adrian's defence - he doesn't need
that or want that - this is me trying to help a child learn to think.

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From: The Older Gentleman on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> this is me trying to help a child learn to think.

Ah.


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