From: deano on
On 26 Mar, 09:01, use...(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
> deano <d.heighing...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On 25 Mar, 22:48, use...(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
> > > deano <d.heighing...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > On 25 Mar, 18:14, pe...(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
> > > > > Adrian Tuddenham <adr...(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > 2) I don't like Flash because....
>
> > > > > > Do what I do and use a browser that doesn't have the capability to
> > > > > > display it.
>
> > > > > Wrong approach, I think.
>
> > > > > Use a browser that can display Flash, but it you don't want to see Flash
> > > > > movies then use a plugin that either blocks Flash entirely, or allows
> > > > > you to stop them playing until you okay them.
>
> > > > > Your approach is deliberately limiting, I think excessively so. Of
> > > > > course it's your choice, but the alternative I'm suggesting gives you
> > > > > more capabilities if you need them, at no cost.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Peter
>
> > > > Wow... all that hatred of Flash and nothing but text based websites...
> > > > it still exists?
> > > > Flash is a tool, if it works and is right for the message delivery and
> > > > the targeted audience... use it!
>
> > > As I said, flash is great for some things (games etc) where there is
> > > nothing that does what it does.
>
> > > For adverts there are blockers for it, so it is not so bad in that. If
> > > adobe had put some effort into security it would be a bit better.
>
> > > > Back to my OP... the tools (apart from flash) used to create the
> > > > animation are... ?
>
> > > What other tools would there be apart from flash?
>
> > > Well, something to make some of the individual graphics, but you can use
> > > anything for that.
>
> > Ok, what would have been used to get the 3D architecture and figures
> > into Flash?
> > 3DS Max?, Sketchup? or other of the latest 3D apps around.
> > I suppose I'm asking what techniques were used to get everything into
> > Flash?
>
> In that advert, I would imagine that it was just drawn as 2D objects.
> You coud use a 3d application if you wanted, it doesn't look in this
> case that it was
>
> --
> Woody
>
> www.alienrat.com

A colleague suggested that it looked as though some of the animation
was created by tracing over live captured video and heavily stylised,
which does make sense because it would enable the producers to use
stock video and then personalise it to give it their own (or the
client's own) branding i.e. the uniform and cap and the branded
vehicle etc.

Some of it looks too complicated and detailed to have created from
scratch, within the computer environment, either 2D or 3D, unless of
course they had access to the budget and tools of entities like
Dreamworks or Pixar!
From: Pd on
Adrian Tuddenham <adrian(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Perhaps you can afford to lose a few customers; but if you can't, the
> website needs to work both with and without Flash.

I still see websites that are utterly broken without Flash, and take
ages to load and full of pointless animation that adds very little to
the overall message if you enable Flash.

For example, <http://www.acorngardens.co.uk/> is the Flash equivalent of
a MySpace page with <blink> and <marquee> sprinkled liberally
throughout. Utterly devoid of content without Flash, distractingly full
of visual flummery with Flash. If I was looking for a garden services
company, I'd be hesitant to use a company that has spent that much money
on a website that doesn't actually provide much information, because
their rates would have to be high enough to cover that kind of expense.

--
Pd
From: Chris Ridd on
On 2010-03-26 09:10:48 +0000, Jim said:

> On 2010-03-26, Geoff Berrow <blthecat(a)ckdog.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> PC fans don't change speed.
>
> They most certainly do. Or, at least, every PC I've used that was made in
> the last 3 or 4 years can alter fan speeds. I've got a Fujitsu behind me
> that sounds like a hovercraft at times, then calms down.

They even have settings apart from 0 and max rpm, and I think they're
generally under the control of most OSes.

Apple tends to allow units to go warmer before increasing fan speed,
because the box is quieter. Windows tends to increase the fan speed
earlier to keep the average temperature down, which is why Geoff may
not be perceiving their change.

--
Chris

From: Pd on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> And of course everyone hates him for doing so, if only because he sets
> me off again by making posts like that.

For fucks sake Rowland, take some personal responsibility.

--
Pd
From: Chris Ridd on
On 2010-03-26 09:30:29 +0000, Pd said:

> Adrian Tuddenham <adrian(a)poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you can afford to lose a few customers; but if you can't, the
>> website needs to work both with and without Flash.
>
> I still see websites that are utterly broken without Flash, and take
> ages to load and full of pointless animation that adds very little to
> the overall message if you enable Flash.

The Crumpler (laptop/camera bags and so on) site is similarly
Flash-encrusted. To their credit they've created an HTML version of it
as well.
--
Chris